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I wouldn't worry about high school science teachers. They don't seem to worry about getting the science straight anyway. :P
I kid of course, but sometimes I found the science curriculum at my school tended to oversimplify. Then the next year would begin with, "Remember what you learned last year? Yeah, that's not how it works...." I recognize that some simplification is necessary, especially when one's younger and new to science, but Bill Nye seemed to get it right....
@kolacek: Just because you don't understand quantum physics doesn't make it less valid than any other form. Your comment, however, does make you seem...less valid.
As somebody who's studied condensed matter physics, let me clarify some things...
The science textbooks aren't wrong. Electrons are indivisible.
The problem is the use of "particle" - we're here not talking about actual particles but rather quasiparticles, theoretical descriptions of excitations in the collective behaviour of electrons. An example of a such particle is a phonon - it's not a real particle, but rather describes how a vibration can move through matter (imagine doing The Wave at a sports game, you're a real particle, while the wave is a quasiparticle going round the stadium - it's the same with atoms/electrons and phonons)
What the article is talking about is an effect observed when you have plenty of electrons packed in a small thin space. The collective behaviour is similar to that of a fluid consisting of two types of particles, one carrying only charge, and another that carries the spin.
It's still electrons doing the jiggling, spinning and all - it's just that the WAY they behave is better described by this spin-charge separation instead of more classical descriptions which misses some subtle effects which has now been observed in this experiment.
@Cloudypants: Excellent explanation. Your comment does a great job explaining what exactly is happening here. I don't think the article above is misleading, though... I'd consider it the "overview," with this being the "further reading." Great comment!
@Cloudypants: Thats great and all, Cloudypants, but can you tell me where I can get a quantum computer? I asked for one at Best Buy and the kid just showed me a small Acer. I promptly knocked him out and dared another employee to lie to me. Another employee said they didn't have any, I knocked his ass out too for lying to me..
The cops came and I got banned for life from the entire chain, so I need to find another place. Please help.
@Cloudypants: In all seriousness - what you are saying is that they are just giving different names to the same electron depending on what state it is in? I actually thought electrons might be made up of smaller particles. Does this go for Protons as well? What about the anti-electron - the positron?
what you are saying is that they are just giving different names to the same electron depending on what state it is in?
Not quite. What it is is this: electrons have (among others) two properties: charge and spin. When you have a bunch of electrons together in the situation at hand, the combined charge behaves in a way that makes it easier to explain things if you thing of that accumulated charge as acting independently of the combined spin, as if you had two separate particles.
Now, though I'm a physicist, my specialty is not condensed matter (I'm a particle physicist), so I may not be accurate in what I said above. Just sayin'...
I actually thought electrons might be made up of smaller particles.
There are theories proposing that but none of them have much experimental support on their behalf.
Does this go for Protons as well?
Protons are not elementary. They are made up of 3 quarks: 2 "up" quarks and 1 "down" quark.
What about the anti-electron - the positron?
Same as the electron. The major difference between the two is their charge (and a few other less significant properties): the electron has a negative charge, the positron has a positive one (with the same magnitude).
So electrons are the particle equivalent of two kids standing on each other's shoulders and wearing a trenchcoat in order to sneak into an R rated movie?
@Grey_Area: That's my thinking too: turtles all the way down. You can classify any technological civilization by what they think their elementary particles are. Fire? Atoms? Electrons? Spinons? Morons? Futons? A truly transcendent civilization will have realized that reality is infinitely recursively self-similar: God(s) little joke on the universe.
there are already several retail CPUs that can do four things at once. what you're actually trying to discribe is having memory do three things at once. no matter what the chip looks like or does we're still a long way off from this thing showing up in end user machines if it's comprised of superconductors.
07/31/09
I kid of course, but sometimes I found the science curriculum at my school tended to oversimplify. Then the next year would begin with, "Remember what you learned last year? Yeah, that's not how it works...." I recognize that some simplification is necessary, especially when one's younger and new to science, but Bill Nye seemed to get it right....
07/31/09
Fuck you. I'm not even trying to understand it, now.
07/31/09
Best comment I have ever seen on this site.
Don't give up on particle physics, particle physics isn't giving up on you!!
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The science textbooks aren't wrong. Electrons are indivisible.
The problem is the use of "particle" - we're here not talking about actual particles but rather quasiparticles, theoretical descriptions of excitations in the collective behaviour of electrons. An example of a such particle is a phonon - it's not a real particle, but rather describes how a vibration can move through matter (imagine doing The Wave at a sports game, you're a real particle, while the wave is a quasiparticle going round the stadium - it's the same with atoms/electrons and phonons)
What the article is talking about is an effect observed when you have plenty of electrons packed in a small thin space. The collective behaviour is similar to that of a fluid consisting of two types of particles, one carrying only charge, and another that carries the spin.
It's still electrons doing the jiggling, spinning and all - it's just that the WAY they behave is better described by this spin-charge separation instead of more classical descriptions which misses some subtle effects which has now been observed in this experiment.
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I like to think I'm good at plain language, but this is much much better than I could have done. Besides, high energy physics was my specialty anyway.
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The cops came and I got banned for life from the entire chain, so I need to find another place. Please help.
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what you are saying is that they are just giving different names to the same electron depending on what state it is in?
Not quite. What it is is this: electrons have (among others) two properties: charge and spin. When you have a bunch of electrons together in the situation at hand, the combined charge behaves in a way that makes it easier to explain things if you thing of that accumulated charge as acting independently of the combined spin, as if you had two separate particles.
Now, though I'm a physicist, my specialty is not condensed matter (I'm a particle physicist), so I may not be accurate in what I said above. Just sayin'...
I actually thought electrons might be made up of smaller particles.
There are theories proposing that but none of them have much experimental support on their behalf.
Does this go for Protons as well?
Protons are not elementary. They are made up of 3 quarks: 2 "up" quarks and 1 "down" quark.
What about the anti-electron - the positron?
Same as the electron. The major difference between the two is their charge (and a few other less significant properties): the electron has a negative charge, the positron has a positive one (with the same magnitude).
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I'ts turtles all the way down.
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