hopefully they'll learn nothing and the loud minority will go into their perspective corners and remain silent and allow the silent majority to enjoy their worlds of fantasy without making it into something different.
It appears BioWare has eased up a bit. The thread in question has been reinstated and folks are free to argue about sexual orientation and whatnot. I didn't read every dang comment but it looks like people are at least allowed to mention words like "gay," "lesbian" and "homosexual."
"Homosexuality and same-sex marriage were apparently accepted by the Mandalorians, as Goran Beviin and Medrit Vasur were an openly homosexual married couple living on Mandalore, who were fully integrated into Mandalorian society."
on the one hand you have, what is basically a private club, able to determine their own rules, membership etc. so if the people who own the club say "sexual orientation is not relevant and therefore not a part of membership interaction" then there isn't much more to be said, those who are cool with that join, those that are not, don't. The WoW incident didn't go to court so there hasn't been any ruling on the "public accommodation" claim.
on the other hand you have the entitled masses feeling that every aspect of their lives must have the capacity to reflect their own personal characteristics, beliefs, etc.
that the thread(s) were closed and words 'banned' is unfortunate and it's clear this isn't being handled properly, but it's too early to say what the Star Wars Universe does or does not have in it...
What kind of freaks me out is that photograph. Am I the only one who thinks the guy on the left (supposedly light side) looks way too angry? I mean either of these could be Sith, IMHO.
On another note, a friend of mine who is homosexual works at Bioware. He's said nothing but good things about the company. I would guess that the decision to exclude an orientation option from the MMOD probably comes from LucasArts.
@OlavRokne: I think it's a picture of a Jedi and a Sith, holding their lightsabers together. Or maybe the same Jedi, on the light side and the dark side. I just picked it because it looked so clearly homoerotic.
Well I can say it was a good episode to work on, and I am proud to be a part of it.
I operated the B camera on this scene and helped light it. (Along with just about every scene in the show!) In fact that was the very first scene I worked on with Phase 2. (Or New Voyages as it was then called.)
One of the things David Gerrold did in directing this scene is to use both cameras on fairly wide coverage in master takes. (i.e. the whole scene played in every take.) The idea was to "force" the editors to keep the length of this scene, and to put the viewer right in the room with them. We (The DP and I) had to fight to get the tighter shots, but when Gerrold relented he asked for two's. (i.e. shots that have both actors in frame.)
Given the particular controversy around this scene it was a good way to go, but as a DP and editor I always want more coverage to help keep the edit flowing smoothly. It always helps to be able to cut to a reaction or CU and possibly save a good take with a minor flaw.
Gerrold wanted people to confront their feelings about these characters and their relationship. I have seen people with issues regarding homosexuality walk out of screenings of the episode.
The guest stars were Denise Crosby and Bill Blair, both of whom were a pleasure to work with.
To answer AmishJohn about the naming of Peter Kirk... this character was introduced in the original series episode "Operation Annihilate"
To address Jim Topoleski, the actor that portrayed him (Craig Hundley) was 12 at the time the episode aired. That would make our ensign Peter Kirk 15.
There is room to fudge the numbers a bit... Peter could have been older than the actor in the original episode (as posited by the novel Avenger), and more time could have passed than indicated. Can you tell that this continuity point came up during production?
His partner is Alex Freeman, a medical technician.
@Alexander Ibrahim: Thanks for sharing that! I did notice that the way the scene was shot forced you to watch both men interacting - even in shot/reverse-shot you could see a lot of the other person's face. It did actually make the scene feel more explicit and sexual, despite the fact that there's no sex and basically no nudity (shirt off is G-rated).
04/28/09
For once StarWars got something right.
04/28/09
04/28/09
Glad they realized how stupid that was and have backed down. The guy who said it still needs to be bitch-slapped.
04/28/09
It appears BioWare has eased up a bit. The thread in question has been reinstated and folks are free to argue about sexual orientation and whatnot. I didn't read every dang comment but it looks like people are at least allowed to mention words like "gay," "lesbian" and "homosexual."
So, major victory for Civil Liberties, right?
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04/28/09
Or maybe this Dahlberg is a bigoted douchebag.
Or both.
04/28/09
"Homosexuality and same-sex marriage were apparently accepted by the Mandalorians, as Goran Beviin and Medrit Vasur were an openly homosexual married couple living on Mandalore, who were fully integrated into Mandalorian society."
04/28/09
04/28/09
04/28/09
Right?
04/28/09
*cries in corner* Wait, why do I care?
04/28/09
on the one hand you have, what is basically a private club, able to determine their own rules, membership etc. so if the people who own the club say "sexual orientation is not relevant and therefore not a part of membership interaction" then there isn't much more to be said, those who are cool with that join, those that are not, don't. The WoW incident didn't go to court so there hasn't been any ruling on the "public accommodation" claim.
on the other hand you have the entitled masses feeling that every aspect of their lives must have the capacity to reflect their own personal characteristics, beliefs, etc.
that the thread(s) were closed and words 'banned' is unfortunate and it's clear this isn't being handled properly, but it's too early to say what the Star Wars Universe does or does not have in it...
04/28/09
On another note, a friend of mine who is homosexual works at Bioware. He's said nothing but good things about the company. I would guess that the decision to exclude an orientation option from the MMOD probably comes from LucasArts.
04/28/09
04/28/09
It's going to be bad for business.
04/28/09
12/18/08
I operated the B camera on this scene and helped light it. (Along with just about every scene in the show!) In fact that was the very first scene I worked on with Phase 2. (Or New Voyages as it was then called.)
One of the things David Gerrold did in directing this scene is to use both cameras on fairly wide coverage in master takes. (i.e. the whole scene played in every take.) The idea was to "force" the editors to keep the length of this scene, and to put the viewer right in the room with them. We (The DP and I) had to fight to get the tighter shots, but when Gerrold relented he asked for two's. (i.e. shots that have both actors in frame.)
Given the particular controversy around this scene it was a good way to go, but as a DP and editor I always want more coverage to help keep the edit flowing smoothly. It always helps to be able to cut to a reaction or CU and possibly save a good take with a minor flaw.
Gerrold wanted people to confront their feelings about these characters and their relationship. I have seen people with issues regarding homosexuality walk out of screenings of the episode.
The guest stars were Denise Crosby and Bill Blair, both of whom were a pleasure to work with.
To answer AmishJohn about the naming of Peter Kirk... this character was introduced in the original series episode "Operation Annihilate"
[en.wikipedia.org]
To address Jim Topoleski, the actor that portrayed him (Craig Hundley) was 12 at the time the episode aired. That would make our ensign Peter Kirk 15.
There is room to fudge the numbers a bit... Peter could have been older than the actor in the original episode (as posited by the novel Avenger), and more time could have passed than indicated. Can you tell that this continuity point came up during production?
His partner is Alex Freeman, a medical technician.
12/19/08
12/18/08
- Kirk's easy rip shirts... gay
- Kirk's pre-oiled hairless chest... gay
- any time Uhura sang... SO gay
- Picard as Robin Hood... G-A-Y GAY
- Data can double as a flotation device in the event of an emergency... head- bashingly gay
- Star Trek: Voyager... super gay
- " I've got faaittthhh, of the heearrrttt."... the gayest
12/18/08
Riker and Worf, on the other hand... Dynamic Tension, indeed.
12/18/08
12/18/08
Now how a 10 year old all of a sudden is a 18 year old 4 years later, Ill never know.
12/18/08
12/18/08
It was a disruption in the space-time continuum.
12/18/08
Am I right or am I right! High Five!
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