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    The Force Is Not With Queer People In The Star Wars Universe

    Long-Suppressed Gay Star Trek Episode Comes Out

    Science Fiction That Could Turn You Queer, If Only for a Nanosecond

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    Image of Jamal Dominic Barr Jamal Dominic Barr
    04/28/09

    In reply to The Force Is Not With Queer People In The Star Wars Universe
    hopefully they'll learn nothing and the loud minority will go into their perspective corners and remain silent and allow the silent majority to enjoy their worlds of fantasy without making it into something different.


    For once StarWars got something right.

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    Image of Oliver Howard Oliver Howard
    04/28/09

    @Jamal Dominic Barr: As long as they ban ALL talk of relationships/sex etc in the game then that's fine.
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    Image of Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H. Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
    04/28/09

    @Oliver Howard: No sex for anyone! Reproduction by fission only! That's fair.


    Glad they realized how stupid that was and have backed down. The guy who said it still needs to be bitch-slapped.

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    Image of Grey_Area Grey_Area
    04/28/09

    In reply to The Force Is Not With Queer People In The Star Wars Universe
    UPDATE

    It appears BioWare has eased up a bit. The thread in question has been reinstated and folks are free to argue about sexual orientation and whatnot. I didn't read every dang comment but it looks like people are at least allowed to mention words like "gay," "lesbian" and "homosexual."

    So, major victory for Civil Liberties, right?


    [www.swtor.com]

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    Image of Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H. Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
    04/28/09

    In reply to The Force Is Not With Queer People In The Star Wars Universe
    Maybe everyone's bi and multi-species-ual, so it doesn't matter?


    Or maybe this Dahlberg is a bigoted douchebag.


    Or both.

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    Image of bonniegrrl bonniegrrl
    04/28/09

    In reply to The Force Is Not With Queer People In The Star Wars Universe
    [starwars.wikia.com]


    "Homosexuality and same-sex marriage were apparently accepted by the Mandalorians, as Goran Beviin and Medrit Vasur were an openly homosexual married couple living on Mandalore, who were fully integrated into Mandalorian society."

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    Image of Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H. Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
    04/28/09

    @bonniegrrl: There ya go.
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    Image of BadUncle BadUncle
    04/28/09

    In reply to The Force Is Not With Queer People In The Star Wars Universe
    Is there anything gayer than a light saber? Come on Bioware. Butch up and deal.
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    Image of Mount_Prion Mount_Prion
    04/28/09

    In reply to The Force Is Not With Queer People In The Star Wars Universe
    Didn't George Lucas say during some kind of press thing that Dumbledore was gay?


    Right?

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    Image of crashedpc - Haifisch crashedpc - Haifisch
    04/28/09

    @Mount_Prion: SPOILER ALERT!!!! Sheez!


    *cries in corner* Wait, why do I care?

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    Image of goldfarb goldfarb
    04/28/09

    In reply to The Force Is Not With Queer People In The Star Wars Universe
    an interesting, if frustrating issue...

    on the one hand you have, what is basically a private club, able to determine their own rules, membership etc. so if the people who own the club say "sexual orientation is not relevant and therefore not a part of membership interaction" then there isn't much more to be said, those who are cool with that join, those that are not, don't. The WoW incident didn't go to court so there hasn't been any ruling on the "public accommodation" claim.

    on the other hand you have the entitled masses feeling that every aspect of their lives must have the capacity to reflect their own personal characteristics, beliefs, etc.

    that the thread(s) were closed and words 'banned' is unfortunate and it's clear this isn't being handled properly, but it's too early to say what the Star Wars Universe does or does not have in it...
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    Image of OlavRokne OlavRokne
    04/28/09

    In reply to The Force Is Not With Queer People In The Star Wars Universe
    What kind of freaks me out is that photograph. Am I the only one who thinks the guy on the left (supposedly light side) looks way too angry? I mean either of these could be Sith, IMHO.


    On another note, a friend of mine who is homosexual works at Bioware. He's said nothing but good things about the company. I would guess that the decision to exclude an orientation option from the MMOD probably comes from LucasArts.

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    Image of Charlie Jane Anders Charlie Jane Anders
    04/28/09

    @OlavRokne: I think it's a picture of a Jedi and a Sith, holding their lightsabers together. Or maybe the same Jedi, on the light side and the dark side. I just picked it because it looked so clearly homoerotic.
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    Image of NerD: Blattella NerD: Blattella
    04/28/09

    In reply to The Force Is Not With Queer People In The Star Wars Universe
    Wow, this might actually be one person's unilateral decision.


    It's going to be bad for business.

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    Image of crashedpc - Haifisch crashedpc - Haifisch
    04/28/09

    In reply to The Force Is Not With Queer People In The Star Wars Universe
    Well then. Are they scared that people will start associating homosexuals with the Dark Side? Cuz that's silly.
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    Image of Alexander Ibrahim Alexander Ibrahim
    12/18/08

    In reply to Long-Suppressed Gay Star Trek Episode Comes Out
    Well I can say it was a good episode to work on, and I am proud to be a part of it.


    I operated the B camera on this scene and helped light it. (Along with just about every scene in the show!) In fact that was the very first scene I worked on with Phase 2. (Or New Voyages as it was then called.)


    One of the things David Gerrold did in directing this scene is to use both cameras on fairly wide coverage in master takes. (i.e. the whole scene played in every take.) The idea was to "force" the editors to keep the length of this scene, and to put the viewer right in the room with them. We (The DP and I) had to fight to get the tighter shots, but when Gerrold relented he asked for two's. (i.e. shots that have both actors in frame.)


    Given the particular controversy around this scene it was a good way to go, but as a DP and editor I always want more coverage to help keep the edit flowing smoothly. It always helps to be able to cut to a reaction or CU and possibly save a good take with a minor flaw.


    Gerrold wanted people to confront their feelings about these characters and their relationship. I have seen people with issues regarding homosexuality walk out of screenings of the episode.


    The guest stars were Denise Crosby and Bill Blair, both of whom were a pleasure to work with.


    To answer AmishJohn about the naming of Peter Kirk... this character was introduced in the original series episode "Operation Annihilate"


    [en.wikipedia.org]


    To address Jim Topoleski, the actor that portrayed him (Craig Hundley) was 12 at the time the episode aired. That would make our ensign Peter Kirk 15.


    There is room to fudge the numbers a bit... Peter could have been older than the actor in the original episode (as posited by the novel Avenger), and more time could have passed than indicated. Can you tell that this continuity point came up during production?


    His partner is Alex Freeman, a medical technician.

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    Image of Annalee Newitz Annalee Newitz
    12/19/08

    @Alexander Ibrahim: Thanks for sharing that! I did notice that the way the scene was shot forced you to watch both men interacting - even in shot/reverse-shot you could see a lot of the other person's face. It did actually make the scene feel more explicit and sexual, despite the fact that there's no sex and basically no nudity (shirt off is G-rated).
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    Image of Palmerlime Palmerlime
    12/18/08

    In reply to Long-Suppressed Gay Star Trek Episode Comes Out
    There has been pUHlenty of gay on Star Trek over the years:


    - Kirk's easy rip shirts... gay

    - Kirk's pre-oiled hairless chest... gay

    - any time Uhura sang... SO gay

    - Picard as Robin Hood... G-A-Y GAY

    - Data can double as a flotation device in the event of an emergency... head- bashingly gay

    - Star Trek: Voyager... super gay

    - " I've got faaittthhh, of the heearrrttt."... the gayest

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    Image of AmishJohn AmishJohn
    12/18/08

    @Palmerlime: Data is Bi- at least... Remember when Tasha put him up on the lube rack and rotated his bytes?


    Riker and Worf, on the other hand... Dynamic Tension, indeed.

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    Image of AmishJohn AmishJohn
    12/18/08

    In reply to Long-Suppressed Gay Star Trek Episode Comes Out
    Please, naming a gay character Peter? What's his partner's name, Ensign Johnson?
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    Image of Jim Topoleski Jim Topoleski
    12/18/08

    @AmishJohn: Peter was Kirks nephew per the first season episode he was introduced.


    Now how a 10 year old all of a sudden is a 18 year old 4 years later, Ill never know.

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    Image of Sproing Sproing
    12/18/08

    @AmishJohn: Beats Chad and Trevor.
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    Image of diverguy diverguy
    12/18/08

    @Jim Topoleski:


    It was a disruption in the space-time continuum.

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    Image of BullfightsOnAcid BullfightsOnAcid
    12/18/08

    @diverguy: More like a disruption in the male to female continuum.


    Am I right or am I right! High Five!

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    Image of AmishJohn AmishJohn
    12/18/08

    @BullfightsOnAcid: Like when the Red Dwarf went into the alternate universe?
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    Image of Jrsy Devil's Advocate® Jrsy Devil's Advocate®
    12/20/08

    @AmishJohn: No, I believe his name is Neal or Bob...
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    Image of unclevanya unclevanya
    12/18/08

    In reply to Long-Suppressed Gay Star Trek Episode Comes Out
    Probably should have said "the studio (Paramount) balked."
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    Image of RAHfanboy RAHfanboy
    12/19/08

    @unclevanya: Or the syndicater balked.
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    Image of BullfightsOnAcid BullfightsOnAcid
    12/18/08

    In reply to Long-Suppressed Gay Star Trek Episode Comes Out
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