I was really pleasantly surprised by this show. Superb production values and an intriguing plot with interesting characters (Eli and Rush are especially interesting) make me hopeful.
I also like the premise, more so then previous shows- Where is this ship heading, why, and what is supposed to happen when it gets there? There's a hint of something transcendental here which I enjoy, a galaxy ship named Destiny traveling to the other side of the universe and created by a race of beings who achieved transcendence into a metaphysical existence.
Also, great theme music.
Pet Peeve: This is just a technical flaw I find with the mechanics of the stargates that annoys the hell out of me. I wish it had been corrected in this show.
- When a stargate "dials" another gate the other gate begins to dial as well so that they dial simultaneously and the wormholes form at the same instant on both ends. That's fine- Maybe they're linked intertwined in some "spooky" physics sort of way.
The problem is that unless the stargate being dialed knows ahead of time that this it is going to be dialed all stargates everywhere will also get dialed. Only when the last chevron is locked on the initiating gate will the receiving gate know that it alone is the actual destination and in any case a brief lag of time must occur between the last chevron locking on the transmitting and receiving gates.
An alternative explanation is that there is a time lag between the initiating and receiving gate that's about as long as it takes the receiving gate to dial and form the wormhole. The transmitting gate would first have to finish its sequence before the receiving gate started its own. Maybe this is what is supposed to happen- But if so, it would be possible to form a wormhole entrance without forming an exit simultaneously and someone could step into the entrance before the stargate on the other end had finished dialing.
@Logan5: About the stargates, in lieu of a long technobabble explanation I'll just say that the Ancients used the gates as a routine form of travel. They would have built in some sort of safeguard (time delay, pattern buffer, etc.) to ensure safe arrival at the receiving gate.
@Ghost_in_the_Machine: This isn't so much a technobabble issue as one of logic. The time delay is fine, except that the delay would be experienced on both ends of the wormhole after the final chevron locks on the initiating wormhole. If not, then it would be possible for someone to jump through the event horizon on one side without there being one on the other.
But I think regardless of the likely technobabble explanation is that logic has been sacrificed for the sake of having the effect of seeing the receiving stargate dialing.
The problem is is that SGU has a much easier concept to get peoples heads around. They're lost in the universe and they want to go home. And there's probably going to be some sort of big baddy out there who wants to destroy them. Dollhouse is a bit more high concept. There's these people called Dolls who sign away there life for five years and they implant new personalities and memories into their brains. Essentially it's a show about the lost of identity.
Plus, most SG fans seem more willing to accept this new look. While most Whedon fans are still pining for the days of Buffy/Angel/Firefly. And God help Whedon for not pandering to their every whim and not giving them exactly what they expect.
And there seems to be this preference for more continuity shows where each show is only a small part of one story. Or as they used to call them, Soap Opera's. There, I said it.
FOX's use of the Friday timeslot is very questionable.
Pairing up TSCC and Dollhouse seemed like an OK idea. But, why would they take two critically panned sitcoms of the opposite genre and use it as a lead in to Dollhouse?
Other networks are taking the timeslot more seriously now, so should FOX.
There's also a chance they're waiting to replace Dollhouse with another stupid sitcom... or waiting to replace those with another already failing show.
I thought SGU sucked, It's very similar to BSG and I really didn't care for any of the characters. Unless they have some really well written episodes for SGU I don't see it lasting very long.
Also what happened to the Stargate MMO?
Dollhouse is great but it is no Stargate, and I would expect the ratings on SGU to get better. With Dollhouse relegated to Friday and not having an awesome show to precede it, this will be it's last season. I would bet Joss Whedon knows that as well with the way the did TSCC, he can't honestly expect them to renew his show when they cancelled TSCC which was far better.
I really dislike Dollhouse and will never ever watch another episode.Stargate is a lot better than Dollhouse,has better stories,more science fiction,much better effects,long going franchise.I am hoping this new SGU does not sink a ship a lot of us love.l totally put my whole hearted support behind 'SGU and sincerely hope we all get many seasons of cool stargate episodes.
And lastly I do hope that Dollhouse will not account for any Stargate viewers not tuning in.
SGU is Fun !!!!
You probably tuned in to Episode 3 or something. Here's a tip: Rent a DVD/Blu-Ray of Season 1 from Blockbuster, sit through Episode 1 and 5, then enjoy 6 and onward, which are the actually GOOD episodes.
Dollhouse has completely lost me. I tried to stick with it through the first season, figuring, it's freaking Joss Whedon, it has to get better. Wrong. On the other hand, I've never seen any Stargate at all before I decided to watch SGU on a whim, and now I'm looking for the dvds of the movie and older series. Much better than Dollhouse, easiest choice ever.
@Elle: Watch the first season, make it through episode five. Gets gloriously better from there. I am too OCD to not watch TV in the correct order. That said, holyshit SG:U was sweet! I watched Dollhouse first, and Hulu'd the other.
SGU I give it three episodes before Eli, the fat Wesley Crusher, has me contemplating homicide. I tuned in because I have a soft spot for the franchise and I wanted to see how the goody adventures translated to Grittyvision (tm). It was... okay I suppose, worth a little time to develop anyway. Dollhouse on the other hand makes me crazy.
I'm a long time Whedon fan. I actually like Dushku, she was pretty good as the troubled slayer Faith. I have adored Amy Acker since she first stepped onto the Angel set. And Alexis Denisof and the soon to arrive Summer Glau are stalwart members of the Whedon stock company. Yet the show just sucks.
The premise from the outset is just dumb. Full personality injections, constructing a doctor out of whole cloth and downloads... c'mon. Even with actors I really am predisposed to like its as though Joss has been smoking the Lucas pipe, the performances, the writing, none of it holds up. Then there's the utterly wooden Tamoh and Bamber to provide moron level beefcake performances. Yech.
I've tried to like Dollhouse, I really have but it fails at every step. It deserves to die. Joss can do better. Take that mind and that wit somewhere where they won't trample the ideas and start over Mr Whedon. Anyone of your creative stature can weather a flop.
Here's my take on DH. The "assignment of the week" approach is wearing thin and getting really boring. Turn up the heat towards real story and character development. Ever since I saw Epitaph One, I keep longing for the show's pace to increase so that we see the DH turn into the apocalyptic scenario we got a glimpse of in Epitaph One.
@Roklimber: Oh, and as for SGU... so far it's lukewarm.
Warehouse 13 was a nice surprise. Great show, despite (or because of) the crazy premise.
And I've always been a fan of Eureka.
So, in my view, if SyFy kept both Eureka and WH13 in the air without long breaks in between seasons, and wrote good stories for SGU, it wouldn't have to worry about competition with DH or any other show.
@Roklimber: same. epitaph one was great, going back to before that is kinda lame. if they could speed us toward that scenario i think it would help the show a lot. or at least give the people watching what they want, which is the premise to pay off.
@Roklimber: You and I are on the same page for W13 and Eureka, but I loved SGU. I loved both Atlantis and SG-1, but the way they have donw this one is just slick and I like it.
@WaR_HaWk: one dying does not mean the other lives. why cant T:SCC fans get that? that is not how tv works. dollhouse getting a second season didn't make terminator get canceled. and dollhouse getting canned doesn't mean they will bring terminator back. what is wrong with you people?
@GreyHammer: It's probably just extreme wishful thinking and grasping at straws. We just miss our show and we want it back.
I personally don't think Dollhouse living or dying is going to make a difference for T:SCC one way or another. They're unrelated and there's just too many other factors.
I do, however, want T:SCC back any which way it could happen, however unlikely that is.
But yeah, people shouldn't be bringing it up every time Dollhouse gets mentioned. I think there was this (incorrect) impression on some of the message boards when both shows were up for renewal that it was either one or the other. It seems some people are still holding onto that.
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Fox does this a lot? Yeah, I guess you could say that. They may not have prompted the formation of the Friday Night Death Slot theory, but they've pretty much written the book on it since then. All three of the FNDS victims that I've put on my DVD shelf aired on Fox (though, admittedly, I only own the second season of the third one, and then only because of one person who got added as regular cast).
SGU was bad. the last starfighter angle with the kid, and the predictable way things would progress were yawn worthy. i sat through the whole episode on hulu only because i was bored at work. i dont think i'll be tuning in or even watching via hulu on this one.
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I also like the premise, more so then previous shows- Where is this ship heading, why, and what is supposed to happen when it gets there? There's a hint of something transcendental here which I enjoy, a galaxy ship named Destiny traveling to the other side of the universe and created by a race of beings who achieved transcendence into a metaphysical existence.
Also, great theme music.
Pet Peeve: This is just a technical flaw I find with the mechanics of the stargates that annoys the hell out of me. I wish it had been corrected in this show.
- When a stargate "dials" another gate the other gate begins to dial as well so that they dial simultaneously and the wormholes form at the same instant on both ends. That's fine- Maybe they're linked intertwined in some "spooky" physics sort of way.
The problem is that unless the stargate being dialed knows ahead of time that this it is going to be dialed all stargates everywhere will also get dialed. Only when the last chevron is locked on the initiating gate will the receiving gate know that it alone is the actual destination and in any case a brief lag of time must occur between the last chevron locking on the transmitting and receiving gates.
An alternative explanation is that there is a time lag between the initiating and receiving gate that's about as long as it takes the receiving gate to dial and form the wormhole. The transmitting gate would first have to finish its sequence before the receiving gate started its own. Maybe this is what is supposed to happen- But if so, it would be possible to form a wormhole entrance without forming an exit simultaneously and someone could step into the entrance before the stargate on the other end had finished dialing.
It's a cool effect though.
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But I think regardless of the likely technobabble explanation is that logic has been sacrificed for the sake of having the effect of seeing the receiving stargate dialing.
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Now that we know, who's going to be back next week? I predict the steep rating decline starts with this week.
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Plus, most SG fans seem more willing to accept this new look. While most Whedon fans are still pining for the days of Buffy/Angel/Firefly. And God help Whedon for not pandering to their every whim and not giving them exactly what they expect.
And there seems to be this preference for more continuity shows where each show is only a small part of one story. Or as they used to call them, Soap Opera's. There, I said it.
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Pairing up TSCC and Dollhouse seemed like an OK idea. But, why would they take two critically panned sitcoms of the opposite genre and use it as a lead in to Dollhouse?
Other networks are taking the timeslot more seriously now, so should FOX.
There's also a chance they're waiting to replace Dollhouse with another stupid sitcom... or waiting to replace those with another already failing show.
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Also what happened to the Stargate MMO?
Bring back Firefly and T:SCC (LOL)
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Amen on all counts, except the MMO. That thing was DOA a long time ago.
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And lastly I do hope that Dollhouse will not account for any Stargate viewers not tuning in.
SGU is Fun !!!!
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You probably tuned in to Episode 3 or something. Here's a tip: Rent a DVD/Blu-Ray of Season 1 from Blockbuster, sit through Episode 1 and 5, then enjoy 6 and onward, which are the actually GOOD episodes.
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It was leagues better than some of the earlier episodes and it really got me hyped me season 2.
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I'm a long time Whedon fan. I actually like Dushku, she was pretty good as the troubled slayer Faith. I have adored Amy Acker since she first stepped onto the Angel set. And Alexis Denisof and the soon to arrive Summer Glau are stalwart members of the Whedon stock company. Yet the show just sucks.
The premise from the outset is just dumb. Full personality injections, constructing a doctor out of whole cloth and downloads... c'mon. Even with actors I really am predisposed to like its as though Joss has been smoking the Lucas pipe, the performances, the writing, none of it holds up. Then there's the utterly wooden Tamoh and Bamber to provide moron level beefcake performances. Yech.
I've tried to like Dollhouse, I really have but it fails at every step. It deserves to die. Joss can do better. Take that mind and that wit somewhere where they won't trample the ideas and start over Mr Whedon. Anyone of your creative stature can weather a flop.
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Warehouse 13 was a nice surprise. Great show, despite (or because of) the crazy premise.
And I've always been a fan of Eureka.
So, in my view, if SyFy kept both Eureka and WH13 in the air without long breaks in between seasons, and wrote good stories for SGU, it wouldn't have to worry about competition with DH or any other show.
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I personally don't think Dollhouse living or dying is going to make a difference for T:SCC one way or another. They're unrelated and there's just too many other factors.
I do, however, want T:SCC back any which way it could happen, however unlikely that is.
But yeah, people shouldn't be bringing it up every time Dollhouse gets mentioned. I think there was this (incorrect) impression on some of the message boards when both shows were up for renewal that it was either one or the other. It seems some people are still holding onto that.
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No, this is Fox. They'll just come up with a new show to sacrifice on the altar to the Friday Night Death Slot gods.
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Fox does this a lot? Yeah, I guess you could say that. They may not have prompted the formation of the Friday Night Death Slot theory, but they've pretty much written the book on it since then. All three of the FNDS victims that I've put on my DVD shelf aired on Fox (though, admittedly, I only own the second season of the third one, and then only because of one person who got added as regular cast).
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