@Pope John Peeps II: We must stop the machines at all costs. They will create pre-packaged pop music that is calculated to appeal to the lowest common denominato- waaaait..... oh shit.
@crashedpc /sarcasm: Ever since I first saw that name I have been plagued by the mental image of two butts hovering in the sky over a ham steak island floating in a sea of orange juice. For that reason I've never had one.
@crashedpc /sarcasm: C'mon I can't be the *only* person who ever thought of that. In my defense it was over 10 years ago. There's nothing wrong with me. And if there was, I'm all better now.
@Gaudy-Mouse Muad'Dib: I waited tables in college at a Denny's and that is exactly the image i always imagined. I must say, though, that for all the negative connotations the name gives that dish, it is pure, artery-clogging deliciousness.
So long as the machines can whip up some delicious seasoned fries with a chocolate malt, and then they allow me to eat it, there's not a whole lot for me to resist.
Are you all mad?! Jesse was most definitely the MVP of that episode. All the action and drama aboard the JimmyCarter. The final scene with Reese almost had a cold hearted bastard like me in tears when she tried to tell Derek about their lost child.
@wapman: Oh yeah it's true... Jesse was also amazing this time around, and I should have noted that. She's been great all along but she really knocked it out of the park for her final (I think) episode.
Well I've watched this episode twice and I'm about to watch it a third time. I was thinking about the conversation between Cameron and Sarah where Sarah asks Cameron to think about why John Connor might have wanted to send her away from him in the future. It has occured to me that getting the answer "No" to the question "Will you join us?" might be at least part of the reason.
I thought Sarah's reasoning was faulty. She implied, and tried to convince Cameron, that John sent her from the future because he wanted her away from him (presumably because he stopped trusting her), but it might as well have been because he trusted her so much that he actually wanted her with him sooner, that is, from an earlier time in his life.
@Roklimber: IMHO, I don't think her reasoning was faulty. I think she was just trying to be an asshole. Not sure how you would go about hurting a terminator's feelings, but she sure was trying...
weaver says, "humans will disappoint you." why? because they can't follow instructions, have flaws, and are self destructive as well as can't co-operate with one another....when "weaver" came out of the box it became obvious to her that she choose the wrong "team mate" and decides embark on her own mission...i think she was being held prisoner by Skynet, why else would she be inside a box, frozen? she would never be able to get out without help, so it must have be exile...
weaver is not on the side of the humans at all, she has no regard for life as she's demonstrated over and over...my theory is that her war might be with Skynet in terms of a power struggle for control...skynet is a self aware machine, but T-1000's can evolve, which places them higher on the food chain...skynet is scared about the whole thing...john conner being a cleaver guy things he can play both ends against the middle...
@Katie Ostheim: Are you referring to the UFO episode? She's only one of 1000 humans who's gotten killed as collateral damage in the war against Skynet...
• I was wondering how the sub story could have played out had Jesse not intervened. If the answer was "No" what would that liquid metal terminator have done to Connor when they met? Was that a deliberate plan to kill Connor? Why would the reply be expected in the form of a package to be retrieved?
• I'm also thinking that liquid terminator was Weaver - no reason to expect it would not survive till that time frame.
• They have clearly indicated some divide in the Skynet world. This supports the idea that several commentors have posted that Weaver was developing her own alternate AI.
• But we also saw that clearly Weaver is not on the side of humanity - so if she is making an alternate AI it does not appear that it would be a beneficent one. That would bear out here being the liquid terminator replying "No" in Jesse's story.
• When Weaver converses with John Henry its just like a terminator speaking to a human. John Henry smiles and is hopeful, he emotes. Weaver is deadpan. Still not sure where that's going.
@lava: The whole package deal may have been a test of trust. Would humans trust the metals enough to deliver the package unopened? If John Conner had opened the package, the answer might have been "Yes" and the liquid terminator would have been on the human side. But the humans failed the test.
@Plague: It might not even have been a test of trust. The T-1000 might have just noticed that the humans disobeyed an order, mutinied and tried to beat a human officer to death, 'killed' the T-888 (which had been doing a bang up job), and finally sank an absolutely priceless, irreplaceable, strategic asset. I mean, forget trust, it probably just decided that these guys were too stupid to risk joining up with, and that there might be some plankton that would make a more useful ally.
@twophrasebark: Actually, the girl that the T-1001 killed was a threat. She leveled a plasma gun at it at point-blank range. Admittedly, not an incomprehensible reaction when a liquid-metal monster rises up out of a crate next to you. But from the T-1001's point of view, it just woke up into an unexpected situation.
The tragedy is that everyone's actions throughout the sub sequence make sense. Even poor Queeg, who got caught in Hal's dilemma.
Charlie, you scared me with the title. I thought you hated this episode. I follow both T:SCC and Dollhouse, and I thought this episode was the best thing Friday night. Don't get me wrong, Dollhouse was great. But, this episode just meant so much more to the overall series. The payoff in this episode had been building since the second episode of season two.
@SaiDolon: No I really loved this episode. It was one of my favorites of the series so far, and definitely made me upgrade my estimation of several of the episodes that came before, because now a lot of stuff fits together better.
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Not a problem for me! I thrive on the ol' WD! It's just that nasty, stinky human grease I could do without.
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I thought Sarah's reasoning was faulty. She implied, and tried to convince Cameron, that John sent her from the future because he wanted her away from him (presumably because he stopped trusting her), but it might as well have been because he trusted her so much that he actually wanted her with him sooner, that is, from an earlier time in his life.
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weaver is not on the side of the humans at all, she has no regard for life as she's demonstrated over and over...my theory is that her war might be with Skynet in terms of a power struggle for control...skynet is a self aware machine, but T-1000's can evolve, which places them higher on the food chain...skynet is scared about the whole thing...john conner being a cleaver guy things he can play both ends against the middle...
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Wow. Good ideas.
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Good nylons aren't cheap, y'know.
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• I was wondering how the sub story could have played out had Jesse not intervened. If the answer was "No" what would that liquid metal terminator have done to Connor when they met? Was that a deliberate plan to kill Connor? Why would the reply be expected in the form of a package to be retrieved?
• I'm also thinking that liquid terminator was Weaver - no reason to expect it would not survive till that time frame.
• They have clearly indicated some divide in the Skynet world. This supports the idea that several commentors have posted that Weaver was developing her own alternate AI.
• But we also saw that clearly Weaver is not on the side of humanity - so if she is making an alternate AI it does not appear that it would be a beneficent one. That would bear out here being the liquid terminator replying "No" in Jesse's story.
• When Weaver converses with John Henry its just like a terminator speaking to a human. John Henry smiles and is hopeful, he emotes. Weaver is deadpan. Still not sure where that's going.
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That's my 2 cents.
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Hmm. Good thinking. I tend to agree with you on this.
Overall, best episode of the season to date.
And notice how the best episodes are the one that have Sarah in them the least?
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It's not like she was in any danger from them.
That's my two cents.
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The tragedy is that everyone's actions throughout the sub sequence make sense. Even poor Queeg, who got caught in Hal's dilemma.
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I guess that's what they were going for, but it seemed kind of "lite" to me on the your behavior gave me the answer I was looking for shtick.
I totally agree about the HAL dilemma Queeg got put into.
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