yes i could not agree more.another one of pkd's works butchered by bigwig studios.
when will they ever learn to just do it like the book.now that would make one cool movie.
and being the WW2 buff I always wanted to see a version of The Main In The High Castle
Dick's work is almost all too weird, too dark and too complicated for modern Hollywood. It's only his most accessible works (like Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?) that can survive the big budget hollywood treatment unless some weirdo auteur (thank you Richard Linklater :)) is along for the ride.
@Grey_Area: Perhaps I should have been more clear with what I mean by survive. The only good Phillip K Dick adaptations I've seen are Blade Runner and Linklater's A Scanner Darkly. Look at how We Can Remember It For You Wholesale became Total Recall and tell me the original story survived, or look at Minority Report or Paycheck and tell me that they haven't been lobotomized.
@NotGodot: I shouldn't poke fun, that was mean of me.
As much as I enjoy watching Blade Runner, even that is barely recognizable from the source material. I'm glad Phil didn't stick around to see what they made of his other stuff.
@AutonymousPrime: I will probably be strung up for saying this, but I actually kind of like the movie ending better.
Mind you the movie is no Shakespeare, but I really like the concept that someone would find out their identity was false and still choose that one over their original one.
@Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.: The show was better. Cheestastic but amazing. The kind of show I wish they made more of. They got the Blade Runner future look down to a tee.
If you want to check out some great werewolf related fantasy--Patricia Briggs' Mercy Thompson series (starting with "Moon Called") is pretty awesome. Ignore the cheese-tastic cover art.
@adminslave: My roommate swears by those and got me to read the first one and it was pretty good. But, yeah, the cover art is AWFUL. I used to tease her that they were her "tramp stamp tattoo" romance books.
smells like tween poop to me.as if we needed more of this crud.
so guys what is next in line ?
a tween re-telling of the mummy where a lonely girl falls in love with a 3,000 year old Mummy or maybe
a tween re-telling of Frankenstein's Bride where we get to create a lonely tween from body parts or maybe
I GIVE UP !!!!
Teen Romance Novels: Proudly portraying needy females, turning fearsome creatures emo and making sure there are plenty of Hot Topic tie-ins whilst screwing up America's youth!
This does make me hopeful that someone will option my book into a movie.
Its called Quiver. Its about a Hope, an average girl who is a bit of a loner, who falls in love with a mysteriously charming young man. It turns out he is actually a teenage Great Old One.
Naturally, they fall in love as he opens her mind to the unknowable abyss beyond the possibility of human reason. It will be the feel good movie of the year.
@inabook: It's almost the plot of Moonlight, actually. Vampire saves little girl from other crazy vampire. Vampire stalks girl for the next 20 years to 'protect her.'
Am I the only one annoyed by how quickly books are being made into movies these days? It's hardly been out a month! Sheesh.
I'm also of the opinion that if a book is part of a series, it's best to wait until the series is done before making the movie, but nobody seems to listen to me on that one. *coughHarryPottercough*
@bookling: Can I ask why you feel that way about Harry Potter? I haven't heard anyone express this opinion before, and I suppose I never thought about it.
I am genuinely curious. I haven't read any of the books, was there a shift in tone/style in the books since they began making movies?
@bookling: To be fair that isn't anything new. Stephen King in his heyday was getting movie bids before his books were even PUBLISHED. And anytime in the last 20/30 years a book hits the bestseller list there's always a movie exec sniffing around it.
Damn, this headline had me vaguely excited but that plot description sounds boring as hell. Girl falls in love with tortured supernatural and has to find a way so they can be together? YAWN.
I like my werewolves with a lot less angst, please. I also like them female at times. And I'm so sick of love stories where the human (but special!) girl is loved by, protected by, and in awe of her all-powerful, super-ultra-magic boyfriend. Gag.
@greeneyedfem: Yeah. I could go for a reversal of this trend that you point out in your latter paragraph. More badass all-powerful, super-ultra-magic (vampire/werewolf) girlfriends please.
@Ruthless, If you let me: Blood and Chocolate is a YA novel in which the protagonist is a teenage female werewolf. I liked it at the time I read it, but you might want more to go on than 13 year old me's opinion.
@Ruthless, If you let me: They could've had something with the Blood and Chocolate adaptation, but of course they turned it into a sappy, shit-sucking Romeo-and-Juliet parody where the werewolf-girl hated almost everything about her lycanthropy.
@Ruthless, If you let me: Though the girl isn't 'supernatural' in The Mortal Instruments series, it does give the women some due props when it comes to kicking ass and taking names. Sure, they still have some of the same trappings you see in other YA novels, but at least they overcome them to some extent. You also get a sprinkling of werewolves, vampires, demons, etc.
@Ruthless, If you let me: The story is essentially a romance, but it plays out quite differently than one would expect. The supernatirals are actually proud to be supernaturals which is rare nowadays, so that's a definitive plus.
I loved B&C when I was a teen and wish the movie had actually been a real adaptation.
@greeneyedfem: I LOVED Blood and Chocolate and couldn't believe how stupid they made the movie. The book actually gave a teen readership a female protagonist who not only loved being a wolf but wanted sex from her boyfriend- hot animal sex that scared the crap out of HIM not the other way around. I recently re-read it and it was a pretty intense book for its targeted audience. And it has a really weird ending that you'll either love or hate or, like me, have intense mixed feelings on that change each time I read it.
@Sunshineyness: I think it's the ending that kind of tempered my feelings on it. I don't want to give anything away since there are people who are planning on reading it, but it wasn't really what I hoped for her.
One of my favorite books that I have ever read (Kiss of Death by Joseph Locke) was about a boy falling in love with a beautiful girl, and finding out that she's actually a werewolf.
I always wanted somebody to make a movie out of it. The writing's intended for middle schoolers (which I was at the time of reading it) but it's a great story.
Maybe people are getting tired of seeing girls fall for supernatural beings? What about guys? I haven't watched or read any of the Twilight books, and I don't plan to, but I do like the subject at hand. I'm just hoping for a story that isn't corny as hell and doesn't cater to 13 year old girls.
Werewolves are awesome. I've always loved mythologies and the creatures that are spawned from them. I don't think I want any werewolf thrusting into anything lime related. Kiwi maybe but not lime.
Who knows where this stuff can go? I'm sure these possibilities, and many more will arise in the future. But I think there are some limiting factors.
Polygamy I see as being unlikely to ever become the norm in Western society, unless a lot of other things change. Leaving aside the complexities of a relationship involving several people instead of only two (which is already more than many people can handle),
I don't think the economics support it.
People move around far too much to follow education, jobs, etc. for a fully blown polygamous kinship system to take root. The nuclear family has a major advantage of mobility--which is why the Inuit and modern Western cultures adopted them.
I suppose there's an argument for a lot of casual relationships, at least for young adults--but that's a quantity vs. quality debate; and once the issue of children comes up, the game changes.
As for an imbalance in gender ratios... well, that's what robots, AI, and the Virtual Reality internet are for.
If you have fully immersive VR sex with someone, does it count as cheating? What about if the person you're having sex with is an AI construct?
Courtly love? Well, that's inevitable in our backward slide into corporate feudalism.
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when will they ever learn to just do it like the book.now that would make one cool movie.
and being the WW2 buff I always wanted to see a version of The Main In The High Castle
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As much as I enjoy watching Blade Runner, even that is barely recognizable from the source material. I'm glad Phil didn't stick around to see what they made of his other stuff.
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Mind you the movie is no Shakespeare, but I really like the concept that someone would find out their identity was false and still choose that one over their original one.
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so guys what is next in line ?
a tween re-telling of the mummy where a lonely girl falls in love with a 3,000 year old Mummy or maybe
a tween re-telling of Frankenstein's Bride where we get to create a lonely tween from body parts or maybe
I GIVE UP !!!!
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Its called Quiver. Its about a Hope, an average girl who is a bit of a loner, who falls in love with a mysteriously charming young man. It turns out he is actually a teenage Great Old One.
Naturally, they fall in love as he opens her mind to the unknowable abyss beyond the possibility of human reason. It will be the feel good movie of the year.
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I'm also of the opinion that if a book is part of a series, it's best to wait until the series is done before making the movie, but nobody seems to listen to me on that one. *coughHarryPottercough*
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I am genuinely curious. I haven't read any of the books, was there a shift in tone/style in the books since they began making movies?
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I like my werewolves with a lot less angst, please. I also like them female at times. And I'm so sick of love stories where the human (but special!) girl is loved by, protected by, and in awe of her all-powerful, super-ultra-magic boyfriend. Gag.
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I loved B&C when I was a teen and wish the movie had actually been a real adaptation.
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I always wanted somebody to make a movie out of it. The writing's intended for middle schoolers (which I was at the time of reading it) but it's a great story.
Maybe people are getting tired of seeing girls fall for supernatural beings? What about guys? I haven't watched or read any of the Twilight books, and I don't plan to, but I do like the subject at hand. I'm just hoping for a story that isn't corny as hell and doesn't cater to 13 year old girls.
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Polygamy I see as being unlikely to ever become the norm in Western society, unless a lot of other things change. Leaving aside the complexities of a relationship involving several people instead of only two (which is already more than many people can handle),
I don't think the economics support it.
People move around far too much to follow education, jobs, etc. for a fully blown polygamous kinship system to take root. The nuclear family has a major advantage of mobility--which is why the Inuit and modern Western cultures adopted them.
I suppose there's an argument for a lot of casual relationships, at least for young adults--but that's a quantity vs. quality debate; and once the issue of children comes up, the game changes.
As for an imbalance in gender ratios... well, that's what robots, AI, and the Virtual Reality internet are for.
If you have fully immersive VR sex with someone, does it count as cheating? What about if the person you're having sex with is an AI construct?
Courtly love? Well, that's inevitable in our backward slide into corporate feudalism.