@SimonMay: My brain is so conditioned to filter out the tm that's all over everything that it never even registered that it was there. Which is part of the point, no doubt...
The important question is: What's with the little octopus-sucker zits on the girl in the picture's face? Not that I am not already deeply in love with her.
White wolf is always good for some innovative and mature ideas (Not so much in the last 10 or so years though.) but I don't think this one will be a hit for them. As a grownup, I play RPGs to get away from from the dull boring reality of being a cog in dull corporate world.
This is structured very similar to the system used for the Baron Munchausen role-playing game, which is actually more appropriately a storytelling game, and is great fun as long as everyone is drinking heavily.
Until your friend gets so drunk on white brandy that he falls down and cuts his head open, and then decides he wants to wrestle everyone that's trying to help him, so you need three people to hold him and keep him from headbutting you while you talk him down.
@SimonMay: The Munchausen game really does require people who are really good at storytelling to not be completely boring (alternately: players who are really drunk). I can see it benefiting from more structure.
@braak: This is sort of true. Alcohol always makes it better. The one time I played it sober, one player walked all over everyone else.
So yeah. That's exactly what I was thinking of. Have you ever come across a game called The Shab-Al-Hiri Roach? That's on much the same level (and highly recommended).
FUCKING DAMMIT! D: I had almost forgotten this game. Almost. I've been pining for a PS3 since MGS4 came out in June. But I haven't been able to scrape up the money so far. Now, it was making me twitch when I couldn't play Metal Gear Solid 4. But now I can't play Fallout 3, and it's DRIVING ME UP A FUCKING WALL! And I don't trust buying the PC version. Mostly because my PC is a year and a half old, which means it's a fucking ancient bastard that would melt into slag as soon as it loads up the game disc.
Jesus, I need to clear up some money on my credit card. Fallout 3, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Little-Big Planet are three major games I want to tackle, and if one more Totally Awesome Game comes out, and I don't have the game system to play it, I'm either going to shoot somebody or shoot myself. Actually, I'll probably just rob a bank.
Therein I disagree. I don't think it's a bad game by any means, but almost all the charm is gone. The dialog is not as smart, the methods to solve problems not as clever. Even little things like the musical selections prove that they didn't quite understand the charm, but could mimic it with no little skill.
Of course, it's also an amazing game that I'm playing to virtually the exclusion of every other activity, but it's almost a shame that it's Fallout, where Bethesda could have struck out a new IP and really made it golden.
" 2. They might have consulted a DC-area resident for some of their mapping. It sucks. Very bad."
I am RIGHT THERE with you. I've lived in D.C. for sixteen years, was excited to see how they did the map, then realized that they never bothered to even look at a map of D.C. It's very annoying.
Even granting that the "world" of Fallout is different than our world (took that weird turn in the 50s, you get places like "Springvale" instead of Springfield, etc.), the *real* cities and places on the map should be in their real locations/directions.
Think this is a nitpick whine? Imagine playing a game set in NYC and having Manhattan be in New Jersey, and the Bronx being south of Queens on Long Island. Wouldn't matter in terms of gameplay, but it's just a very bizarre game choice.
@Daveinva: As I understand it, Fallout takes place in a divergent universe (hence the retro-futuristic vehicles and such.) As such the D.C. your in doesn't have to conform to modern day D.C. at all.
And this seems to be a fairly minor thing to gripe about.
@Scaramanga9: while the fallout universe does diverge somewhere in the 1950's that not exactly a reasonable excuse for a software company from bethesday, just a few miles away, to get the major proportions of the city wrong. the layout of the city blocks in d.c. was established a very long time ago, long before the fallout universe seperates from our own, so while not having exactly the same buildings in the same places is ok having the mall be a different length than it is in real life really isn't necessary.
of course, it's just a game and i've played enough games set in d.c. to know that even having the monuments in the right place is a blessing.
@Daveinva: Bah, that sucks! I grew up in DC and was looking forward to picking this up so I could go wander around an apocolyptic version of my old stomping grounds. I was hoping for it to be kind of accurate what with the company that makes it being based in Bethesda.
@Garrison Dean, Mr. Privilege: as someone that spends all day working and commuting through the major landmarks in d.c. i'm acutely aware of even the more subtely proportional changes that are made by the game. this would not, however, give me even a moments hesitation in recommending it to someone else. just don't expect to actual visit anything downtown that reminds you of anything other than postcards of d.c.
1. I'm with Dirtybacon -- why all the very intense gore (which is awesome), but when you sleep with a whore, she's asleep and ignoring you, fully clothed, on top of the sheets, and won't even touch you? What, are they afraid of an X rating? Oops, there is no X rating. It's targeting adult audiences anyway, so they should target all that adult audiences crave. Remember, you don't have to BUY the game! You also don't have to play it! They should have a violence and sex set of intensity adjustable levels for those who think violence is great, but sex is sinful or something, but they shouldn't totally exclude it from the game. I guess this is backlash from the GTA sex "scandal." Effin prudish puritans.
2. They might have consulted a DC-area resident for some of their mapping. It sucks. Very bad. I was in the metro station west of Falls Church, and the sign to the tunnel indicated that it was Westward to Falls Church. The rest of the stations are a tangled up mess, with no conformity to anything remotely realistic with regard to direction continuity. I guess perhaps I'm too old school, having done a lot of graph mapping in DND, and dealing with many other games that I had to map out in order to figure out. Basically, in F3, if you enter a metro station, and head half a mile down a track, and exit, you might end up the mapped equivalent of a few miles away, at an exit in an entirely different direction than where you thought you were headed (according to the compass).
I'm perhaps too picky about that, but the game immerses us in a sense of post-apocalyptic reality, and having something as simple as consistent mapping keeps it real. In addition, I live in Falls Church IRL, and it's slightly annoying to see everything misplaced for no good reason (naming, placement, etc.). Since the game is "zoned" in a way different from Oblivion (i.e., to get from one area to the next, you might have to go through a building, subway, or sewer with its own "instance" or "zone"), there's no reason why it should not conform just a bit better to the actual locations of the stations and locations it represents. Heck, I'd have been happy to consult them for free!
Anyway, that's an honestly very minor set of complaints. Unless you're a stickler for directional accuracy or games with realistic sexual reactions from characters you have to pay for the sexual reactions you don't get, the game is outstanding, and is quickly becoming one of my all-time favorites.
@ArmandHydra: the content of the game does not belie the moral opinions of the authors nearly as much as it belies the systemic censorship currently in place. a game with actual sex in it would recieve an adults only rating and adults only games aren't even carried by most retailers who want to appear faimly friendly. as long as the stygma in mainstream culture exists that games are 'for kids' games with adult content will continue to be disscriminated against.
the mapping is different for two reasons, the game is not set in 2008 D.C. and did not descend from the 2008 D.C. of today. the fallout timeline breaks from ours somewhere in the 1950's and the game takes place several decades after what would have been 2008 in their world. if you take a look at the in game metro maps you'll notice their version of the metro is different from ours which makes sense because the metro work was done after 1950 and therefor theirs would have been constructed in a differnt world than ours. second, d.c. is in fallout after a nuclear war which had a tendancy to reshape some of the land, especially the coasts. still, as a d.c. native i can identifiy with proportional errors like the mall being noticably shrunken by several city blocks.
I got Force Unleashed, Rock Band 2, Little Big planet and Resistance 2 recently. Yet Fallout 3 is the only game that has been in my system for the last week. Heck, Resistance 2 is still in shrink wrap.
It's an absolutely amazing game, something I wish more RPGs were - it's able to deliver so much depth and immersion while still being able to have an enjoyable combat system, something far too many RPGs lack. I can see myself playing it multiple times over and over until I go on to the next game.
The lunchbox is tempting me to start bringing my lunch to work.
Why is it ok to fill a game with exploding skulls and tons of gore... but any hint of canoodling, and everyone flips their shit? I will never understand that double standard, and never support it. Does preferring sex to violence make me such a bad person?
@dirtybacon: Yeah, I find it odd, considering all the foul language and violence, the game is guaranteed a Mature rating anyway. Yet there's nary a naked boob to be found, and the hookers are all talk. It's a weird double-standard.
We live in a capitalist, militaristic society that tolerates all manner of "killing your opponents" on the battlefield, and in the marketplace, but shuns sex. Even a lot of mainstream porn has selfish and even violent overtones.
A healthy, sex-positive culture would give rise to a more tolerant, permissive, and matriarchal society. and we simply can't have that. After all, the war profiteers must be enriched.
@Asari: it's impossible to have a healthy, sex-positive culture in a matriarchal or patriarchal society. as long as one sex is dominating the other and they are not both truely treated equally some aspects of sex are going to be vilified.
it's a falacy to assume that if we replace the patriarcal society we live in with an opposite matriarchal society that intolerance will just dissapear. the majority would simply replace intollerance for one group of things for intollerance of another group of things. this is echoed perfectly throughout history by isolated sectarian struggles. one group is oppresive while they have power. the other group gains power and then begins the inevitable slide into their new role as the oppressors to exact revenge on the group that oppresed them. then revolution and it flips again.
@dirtybacon: Oh, it's even more inconsistent than that. Take God of War vs. GTAIII: San Andreas, the former of which has far more gratuitous sex implications than ever a Hot Coffee would, yet I've never heard a whisper from the mainstream complainers over that in it, unlike GTA.
It's funny, I got the Lunchbox edition last week, but I've barely played it. It's a long game and I wanna devote a lot of time to it, but everything good is coming out in, like, a three week period. I'm trying to finish Fable II, Little Big Planet, and I'm getting Gears of War 2 today. I also ordered Mirror's Edge for Tuesday. And Wrath of the Lich King comes out soon as well.
@GreyHammer: WAS very popular. It's years out of date.
And let's be honest, it's only 1/2 popular. Lots of people HATE the latter half of the series. When King started loading it up with weird characters and multiple personalities.
And really, if you followed the book story, it wouldn't really be a good video game. You could edit it heavily, but then it'd just be a dark tower inspired video game.
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Thanks for the hit, io9. Much appreciated.
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Also, I'm guessing that the sort of people who frequent a S.F. culture site aren't going to need the "Holy Avenger" disclaimer.
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Until your friend gets so drunk on white brandy that he falls down and cuts his head open, and then decides he wants to wrestle everyone that's trying to help him, so you need three people to hold him and keep him from headbutting you while you talk him down.
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Man that sounds awesome! Where can I get this game??
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So yeah. That's exactly what I was thinking of. Have you ever come across a game called The Shab-Al-Hiri Roach? That's on much the same level (and highly recommended).
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Jesus, I need to clear up some money on my credit card. Fallout 3, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Little-Big Planet are three major games I want to tackle, and if one more Totally Awesome Game comes out, and I don't have the game system to play it, I'm either going to shoot somebody or shoot myself. Actually, I'll probably just rob a bank.
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Therein I disagree. I don't think it's a bad game by any means, but almost all the charm is gone. The dialog is not as smart, the methods to solve problems not as clever. Even little things like the musical selections prove that they didn't quite understand the charm, but could mimic it with no little skill.
Of course, it's also an amazing game that I'm playing to virtually the exclusion of every other activity, but it's almost a shame that it's Fallout, where Bethesda could have struck out a new IP and really made it golden.
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I will buy any DLC you provide for this.
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I am RIGHT THERE with you. I've lived in D.C. for sixteen years, was excited to see how they did the map, then realized that they never bothered to even look at a map of D.C. It's very annoying.
Even granting that the "world" of Fallout is different than our world (took that weird turn in the 50s, you get places like "Springvale" instead of Springfield, etc.), the *real* cities and places on the map should be in their real locations/directions.
Think this is a nitpick whine? Imagine playing a game set in NYC and having Manhattan be in New Jersey, and the Bronx being south of Queens on Long Island. Wouldn't matter in terms of gameplay, but it's just a very bizarre game choice.
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As I understand it, Fallout takes place in a divergent universe (hence the retro-futuristic vehicles and such.) As such the D.C. your in doesn't have to conform to modern day D.C. at all.
And this seems to be a fairly minor thing to gripe about.
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of course, it's just a game and i've played enough games set in d.c. to know that even having the monuments in the right place is a blessing.
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I'll still probably grab it.
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1. I'm with Dirtybacon -- why all the very intense gore (which is awesome), but when you sleep with a whore, she's asleep and ignoring you, fully clothed, on top of the sheets, and won't even touch you? What, are they afraid of an X rating? Oops, there is no X rating. It's targeting adult audiences anyway, so they should target all that adult audiences crave. Remember, you don't have to BUY the game! You also don't have to play it! They should have a violence and sex set of intensity adjustable levels for those who think violence is great, but sex is sinful or something, but they shouldn't totally exclude it from the game. I guess this is backlash from the GTA sex "scandal." Effin prudish puritans.
2. They might have consulted a DC-area resident for some of their mapping. It sucks. Very bad. I was in the metro station west of Falls Church, and the sign to the tunnel indicated that it was Westward to Falls Church. The rest of the stations are a tangled up mess, with no conformity to anything remotely realistic with regard to direction continuity. I guess perhaps I'm too old school, having done a lot of graph mapping in DND, and dealing with many other games that I had to map out in order to figure out. Basically, in F3, if you enter a metro station, and head half a mile down a track, and exit, you might end up the mapped equivalent of a few miles away, at an exit in an entirely different direction than where you thought you were headed (according to the compass).
I'm perhaps too picky about that, but the game immerses us in a sense of post-apocalyptic reality, and having something as simple as consistent mapping keeps it real. In addition, I live in Falls Church IRL, and it's slightly annoying to see everything misplaced for no good reason (naming, placement, etc.). Since the game is "zoned" in a way different from Oblivion (i.e., to get from one area to the next, you might have to go through a building, subway, or sewer with its own "instance" or "zone"), there's no reason why it should not conform just a bit better to the actual locations of the stations and locations it represents. Heck, I'd have been happy to consult them for free!
Anyway, that's an honestly very minor set of complaints. Unless you're a stickler for directional accuracy or games with realistic sexual reactions from characters you have to pay for the sexual reactions you don't get, the game is outstanding, and is quickly becoming one of my all-time favorites.
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the mapping is different for two reasons, the game is not set in 2008 D.C. and did not descend from the 2008 D.C. of today. the fallout timeline breaks from ours somewhere in the 1950's and the game takes place several decades after what would have been 2008 in their world. if you take a look at the in game metro maps you'll notice their version of the metro is different from ours which makes sense because the metro work was done after 1950 and therefor theirs would have been constructed in a differnt world than ours. second, d.c. is in fallout after a nuclear war which had a tendancy to reshape some of the land, especially the coasts. still, as a d.c. native i can identifiy with proportional errors like the mall being noticably shrunken by several city blocks.
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I got Force Unleashed, Rock Band 2, Little Big planet and Resistance 2 recently. Yet Fallout 3 is the only game that has been in my system for the last week. Heck, Resistance 2 is still in shrink wrap.
It's an absolutely amazing game, something I wish more RPGs were - it's able to deliver so much depth and immersion while still being able to have an enjoyable combat system, something far too many RPGs lack. I can see myself playing it multiple times over and over until I go on to the next game.
The lunchbox is tempting me to start bringing my lunch to work.
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I actually don't want to get too into Fallout because I know if I start it up, then all of my other games will go sorely neglected.
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Why is it ok to fill a game with exploding skulls and tons of gore... but any hint of canoodling, and everyone flips their shit? I will never understand that double standard, and never support it. Does preferring sex to violence make me such a bad person?
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Let's not forget the Mass Effect scandal aka :FOX News exclusive, PORN STAR WARS GAME available to kindergartners!
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A healthy, sex-positive culture would give rise to a more tolerant, permissive, and matriarchal society. and we simply can't have that. After all, the war profiteers must be enriched.
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it's a falacy to assume that if we replace the patriarcal society we live in with an opposite matriarchal society that intolerance will just dissapear. the majority would simply replace intollerance for one group of things for intollerance of another group of things. this is echoed perfectly throughout history by isolated sectarian struggles. one group is oppresive while they have power. the other group gains power and then begins the inevitable slide into their new role as the oppressors to exact revenge on the group that oppresed them. then revolution and it flips again.
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@dirtybacon: good job on starting up a hot topic! Gold star!
@everyone: This is a great conversation... and being io9ers, it's staying civil. woo!
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So, I basically have no life.
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WHY THE HELL HAS NO ONE MADE A DARK TOWER VIDEO GAME YET.
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And let's be honest, it's only 1/2 popular. Lots of people HATE the latter half of the series. When King started loading it up with weird characters and multiple personalities.
And really, if you followed the book story, it wouldn't really be a good video game. You could edit it heavily, but then it'd just be a dark tower inspired video game.