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Deliberately means he did it knowing that an earthquake could happen, right? Was he on site when they were drilling? 'cause that would be stupid.
And why would he deliberately cause an earthquake? Nobody wins in an earthquake, especially the guy who caused it. Odds are he'll end up falling into a fissure or being crushed by falling debris.
I don't know anything about Swiss law, but from an American law perspective it seems bizarre that they're apparently charging him under a criminal statute with an intent requirement. In the U.S. this would more likely be a civil negligence case; I can't see it being prosecuted criminally assuming (as seems to be the case) that he had the necessary permits and was in compliance with applicable regulations.
@Roklimber: I live in the Bay Area. I think we've become jaded, because even more noticeable Earthquakes barely garner a reaction. Some friends and I were eating out one night and there was a noticeable tremor. Didn't even stop people from eating. Some people held onto their glasses to keep them from tipping over.
@Bill-Lee: I know what you mean. I lived in Orange County (Southern CA) for over 10 years. My first 4.2 woke me up real good. Another 4.5 happened when I was playing chess online and my opponent (who was in some other part of the state) also felt it. My desk and computer monitor shook quite a bit, but not enough to get me out of my house. A couple more 4.x and I stopped caring altogether.
@Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.: It's entirely posssible that there was $9M or more in damages. Don't forget that the buildings there are old, for the most part. Picture construction consisting of building blocks (granted, big effin stone ones), with no structural components other than arches and gravity. When they move, they stay moved. It's like the devestation one hears about when there are quakes in Turkey - the damage and loss of life is exacerbated by the type of construction (basically, mud bricks)CA didn't start taking seismics seriously until the 20th Century.I remember when the LA City Hall was the tallest bldg downtown, and the hue and cry when Arco built the twin towers (which are now lost in the skyline, and go by another name) about how they'd act in an earthquake. Worse yet is the mud volcano in (Phillipines?, Sumatra?) that was started by drilling and continues to flow (as the Spice must).
Don't worry. San Diego has its own sources of trouble, like crazy tank-drivers and, if I'm not mistaken, dinosaurs. (Didn't Jurassic Park 2 take place in SD?)
A couple thoughts - keeping in mind I'm not a geologist but I play one on TV (that is, if I was on TV and there was a role for me as a geologist)
1) Parkfield is in the middle of nowhere, halfway between San Fran and LA. It would suck for those in the vicinity but doesn't seem like it would be a big quake for the major cities.
2) Increased activity doesn't necessarily mean "major" quake, does it? Is there proof of that? It may just mean a quake is coming, but it could be a 3.0 or something.
Wait, didn't Superman fix the SAF in 1978? Why is it acting up now? Did he screw up? Jeez... one simply cannot trust superpowered aliens these days, can we?
@crashedpc : ゴキブリ and 蟑螂 division: I was working in downtown SF as a messenger. Saw a huge chunk of masonry miss squashing a little old lady by inches. Hordes of shellshocked dust-coated commuters staggering out of the BART (subway) stations like zombies.
Then the sun set and things got WeIRrDd.
@krispykrink: My sister was stuck in a collapsing building and had to jump onto the roof of the next building. Not really fun. I went through an earthquake in the Seattle-Tacoma airport. Sound like a freight train from a few feet away, everything shaking (duh), light fixtures and anything not bolted falling, water spraying from broken pipes, broken escalators and elevators, etc. After I got back from being marched out onto the runway I rented a car, drove to Portland and caught another flight.
@Mathmos: San Jose. Indian Summer, 5 pm on a Tuesday. I had foregone my math homework for a round of Super Mario Brothers and was just getting up to switch the TV over to the World Series when the house started shaking.
"Oh well," I thought. "Another quake." (That's how we roll on the Isle of Califa.)
Then the liquor rack in the other room crashed to the ground, the floor decided to juggle me around a bit (no mean feat), and I figured it would be a good idea to stay prone for a while.
@allium: Did you finish your game of Super Mario Bros? Do you know how to get to the Minus Worlds? Say what you will about them - sure, you swim forever until you run out of time, but at least there are no earthquakes to be found in the Minus Worlds.
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And why would he deliberately cause an earthquake? Nobody wins in an earthquake, especially the guy who caused it. Odds are he'll end up falling into a fissure or being crushed by falling debris.
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Someone ought to do something about this.
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Though I'm sure being taken to court for this has rattled Mr. Haering.
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Recent quakes in California and Nevada (updated every hour or within 5 minutes of a large quake)
[quake.wr.usgs.gov]
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The last one I remember was 3 months ago, it was a good shove, and that was it.
Disappointing really.
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I still think a) they pulled the $50m out of their butt and b) they shouldn't charge this guy, it certainly wasn't deliberate.
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That said, he should have invested in more Kyptonite.
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Don't worry. San Diego has its own sources of trouble, like crazy tank-drivers and, if I'm not mistaken, dinosaurs. (Didn't Jurassic Park 2 take place in SD?)
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1) Parkfield is in the middle of nowhere, halfway between San Fran and LA. It would suck for those in the vicinity but doesn't seem like it would be a big quake for the major cities.
2) Increased activity doesn't necessarily mean "major" quake, does it? Is there proof of that? It may just mean a quake is coming, but it could be a 3.0 or something.
3) The world isn't ending until 2012.
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Then the sun set and things got WeIRrDd.
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"Oh well," I thought. "Another quake." (That's how we roll on the Isle of Califa.)
Then the liquor rack in the other room crashed to the ground, the floor decided to juggle me around a bit (no mean feat), and I figured it would be a good idea to stay prone for a while.
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