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    The Shakespearean Heroes Science Fiction Should Steal From

    Hamlet, Prince Of Q'onos, Walks The Boards For The First Time

    William Shakespeare, Science Fiction Author of the Forbidden Tomorrow Zone

    David Tennant Admits That Shakespeare Is Not As Good As Doctor Who
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    Image of Wookie1972 Wookie1972
    08/21/09

    In reply to The Shakespearean Heroes Science Fiction Should Steal From
    How come nobody has mentioned Falstaff? Han Solo, at least as originally written (big, bearded, and inspired by Francis Ford Coppola) would fit the mold.
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    08/21/09

    In reply to The Shakespearean Heroes Science Fiction Should Steal From
    Topher totally doesn't exist. He's got to be an amalgam of great scientific experts, and there must be a copy of him in each Dollhouse...
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    08/21/09

    In reply to The Shakespearean Heroes Science Fiction Should Steal From
    As an actor who's done my share of the Bard, your take on how a Shakespearean Anakin Skywalker would have been played is spot on. I also particularly like your Harry/New Kirk analysis. Well done indeed! It's a shame that there was such a missed opportunity with the Star Wars prequels to tell a really good story.
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    Image of Jeb_Hoge Jeb_Hoge
    08/21/09

    @Marcus: You don't think that Anakin wasn't played that way? "...show insecurity (from jealousy or hatred) eating away at him slowly, over time..." Anakin was a big ball of jealous insecurity from the time he and Padme went off to Naboo in Ep.2 to when he assumed that Obi-Wan was coming to kill him in Ep.3. He talked about the council not trusting him, he talked about not being able to save Padme or his mother, and he talked about not being as strong in the Force as he could be. I do agree with whoever compared him to Brutus. But in the end, it's not like Anakin was a happy Padawan who just snapped one day.
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    Image of FrankN.Stein FrankN.Stein
    08/20/09

    In reply to The Shakespearean Heroes Science Fiction Should Steal From
    I agree, Shakespeare still rules after all those yearsd - but I believe being a little closer to the Island here in Europe, I just heard a long wail from Stratford-upon-Avon when he startet rotating in his grave after being compared to JJ....I don't remember any lense flares or ball of red undefined goo in Macbeth...
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    Image of jedikalos jedikalos
    08/20/09

    @FrankN.Stein: oh come on think of the witches in MacBeth: The Shake was a great showman, and would have loved all the new tricks.
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    Image of ZachariahTyndareus ZachariahTyndareus
    08/20/09

    In reply to The Shakespearean Heroes Science Fiction Should Steal From
    Brill, love the connections between old and new narratives. :)

    How about the inscrutable Iago and Mieville's Uther Doul??
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    Image of kelz kelz
    08/20/09

    In reply to The Shakespearean Heroes Science Fiction Should Steal From
    This post totally makes up for all that Twilight coverage. Great job.
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    Image of Charlie Jane Anders Charlie Jane Anders
    08/20/09

    @kelz: Ha, come back tomorrow when I explain why Twilight is like all the Brontes rolled into one. :)
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    Image of Occula Occula
    08/20/09

    @Charlie Jane Anders: O, for the love of god, please don't ever again put the words 'Brontes' and 'Twilight' in the same sentence!

    This was a fun, fun read. Thanks for doing pieces like this. On a side note: I saw Capt'n Picard play Prospero in London and he tore that shit up!
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    Image of YalethaMedusa YalethaMedusa
    08/20/09

    In reply to The Shakespearean Heroes Science Fiction Should Steal From
    Many if the actors in SF have done Shakespeare as well, and it shows when you've studies them both. I don't personally think it's the writers that have done the connecting.
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    08/20/09

    In reply to The Shakespearean Heroes Science Fiction Should Steal From
    When I saw Episode III, I didn't think of Shakespeare at all. Anakin's journey has more in common with Greek Tragedy since we already know the outcome, we're just watching to go along with the ride.
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    Image of DillonAerosmith DillonAerosmith
    08/19/09

    In reply to The Shakespearean Heroes Science Fiction Should Steal From
    In my judgement, the proper model for Anakin to Vader is Brutus. He ends up doming the wrong thing for the right reason.
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    Image of StrayChestnutBed StrayChestnutBed
    08/19/09

    In reply to The Shakespearean Heroes Science Fiction Should Steal From
    Nice, but I thought Hal's full name was Henry Plantagenet. Isn't it Hotspur who's called Henry Percy?
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    08/20/09

    @StrayChestnutBed: You are correct, about Hotspur. His full name is Henry Percy. Hal's full name is a matter of debate. He is a member of the House of Lancaster which is a branch of Plantagent. However, he was usually called Harry Momouth after the village where he was born.
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    Image of RosaliaBabas RosaliaBabas
    08/19/09

    In reply to The Shakespearean Heroes Science Fiction Should Steal From
    Great post, especially the stuff about Topher. You've made me even more excited for season 2.

    I'd love to see a few more ladies like Portia (from The Merchant of Venice) in our modern scifi, but I can't think of any existing characters who'd be eligible.
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    Image of Charlie Jane Anders Charlie Jane Anders
    08/19/09

    @RosaliaBabas: Man... where are the Portias of science fiction?? T'Pol might be one, I guess, or Seven Of Nine. Myka from Warehouse 13?? That's a tough one.
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    Image of Elizabeth Weinbloom Elizabeth Weinbloom
    08/19/09

    In reply to The Shakespearean Heroes Science Fiction Should Steal From
    Greenblatt shout-out on io9 makes my life.
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    Image of Tdawwgg Tdawwgg
    08/19/09

    In reply to The Shakespearean Heroes Science Fiction Should Steal From
    William Shakespeare was the J.J. Abrams of his day, reinvigorating Elizabethan England's worn-out action-adventure franchises.

    No, he wasn't. He wass much more of a technical innovator working in what were by-then common genres (revenge tragedy, love comedy), but were still growing: he added psychological depth, a great deal of linguistic complexity, length (Hamlet, Antony and Cleopatra), and tons of other things. Shakespeare was more D. W. Griffith or, if your prefer a later figure, Steven Spielberg, than a "rebooter" like Abrams.

    Oh, and Forbidden Planet was based on The Tempest, so there's your Prospero-mad doctor figure (with Robbie as Ariel-Caliban). Cf. The Black Hole for a bad version of this (with, is it Maximilian? [the red robot] as servant-slave.
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    Image of Wookie1972 Wookie1972
    08/21/09

    @Tdawwgg:
    But none -absolutely none- of his plots were original. He borrowed from all sorts of material. He added to them brilliantly, of course, but all of his plays were essentially "reboots."
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    08/19/09

    In reply to The Shakespearean Heroes Science Fiction Should Steal From
    I always wanted to see a sci-fi version of Shakespeare's 'Julius Caesar' with visuals stolen from the Warhammer 40K games. Kind of like the way 'Romeo and Juliet' was retold in the modern day about a decade ago.
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    Image of geesejuggler geesejuggler
    08/19/09

    In reply to The Shakespearean Heroes Science Fiction Should Steal From
    Great article, Charlie Jane; Mixing my love of Shakespeare and sci-fi= good!Another good example of shadowy manipulators is Don John in Much Ado About Nothing. A self-outcast and the prince's half-brother who no one really liked from the start. He was the reason why Claudio was doubting himself in the first place and thus, screwing everyone else in the process.
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