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I don't like this "transmedia storytelling" trend. It's great to have more stories about characters I love, but I draw the line when it becomes mandatory to my understanding of the story.
Star Trek: Countdown was very close to the line. It was a good comic, and made the movie much more logical; but without having read the comic, I would have seen Nero as a flat, two-dimensional villain whose motivations are not properly explained. As far as I'm concerned that's a huge flaw. If you can't tell the complete story without making fans search for the rest of the information, something's wrong.
@The Squid: I agree with you. Every piece of a Transmedia Story must stand on its own. You shouldn't need to have seen any of the other pieces of story to enjoy whatever it is you're checking out.
S:AB was the first sci-fi show to treat military politics realistically, even if the military characters themselves were cliches. That got my attention and added to the realistic feel. Usually, sci fi depicts the military as monolithic and relentlessly orderly, when the reality is far more complicated, chaotic, and human.
Unfortunately, the writing seemed aimed at an audience dumber than the core sci-fi audience. They would beat one single idea to death for an hour ("Stay with the Dead" is almost unwatchable), whereas any of the Star Trek franchise episodes tend to have multiple twists and Firefly was always tossing out hints of arc even at its most procedural. For this reason, S:AB does not hold up well today.
I feel just like bfwebster : I really wanted to like this - I'm automatically in favor of anything that has spaceship dogfights - but it was just dull. Also, at the time I felt they wanted to make a "Wing Commander" TV show but decided they didn't want to pay the licensing fees so they made a cheap clone instead.
Gotta join the love for Earth 2 though - that show had some great human drama (and some cheese as well). Plus, it's probably the only TV SF with no FTL.
@Michael_GR: Sounds like an excellent topic to branch off into a discussion of it's own. Any editors taking notes? :)
there haven't been many, but I can think of a handful of shows where space travel was confined to LS or slower. (without cheating and resorting to warp speed, wormholes, transporters, or tesseracts)
The Firefly universe is generally considered to be sub-light speed, though it was never specifically addressed during the television run. Subsequent publications have indicated that the galaxy they inhabit just happens to be extremely dense, with multiple star-systems in close proximity, but it's one of those "suspension of disbelief" things either way you look at it.
Red Dwarf had a light speed cap (for the first couple of seasons at any rate) where the journey back to Earth would take 3 million years. Of course, they managed to find new and interesting ways around that barrier on an almost weekly basis.
There was also the short-lived Sci-Fi channel adaptation of Deepwater Black, where the entire crew consists of cryogenically frozen clones, who are woken up early to deal with a crisis.
I'm sure there have been others, but that's the best I can do at 1AM in the morning. :)
This show brings back memories. Not much of the show itself, since I couldn't really seem to get into it at 13/14 (though I really wanted to), but I do remember everything I watched around that time that I loved:
B5 (on again, off again)
SeaQuest (before it jumped the shark)
Earth2: I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers it.
Missing from list: Star Trek: Deep Space 9. This was pre-Dominion War, and my young mind thought DS9 was boring! It proved me wrong later, though.
It's nice to see that someone else was thinking the same thing more than a few times about the very same thing as well. And you never know it could very well be that it's in 'someone' else's dvd collection to draw inspiration from or they've remembered it just as well. The only problem is when it's NOT noted as such. I remember that the show often had a sadness to it, even maybe a kind of melancholy/somber emotional presence. Probably why I was drawn to it.
Sad that shows like this can't remain long enough while others go on forever. Like Stargate, which was/is just mostly stupid and irritating (and I really liked the original movie).
One thing that is certain about shows like this and with Firefly as another example, that had even less episodes to speak of, they can at least remain somewhat pure for what they were at the time, like reading a good book that stays in your memories despite there having never been more. Perhaps like having read the Hobbit and never getting the Lord of the Rings. Except in that case with a man like JRR Tolkien, you had an impressive story teller. More, was just as good if not better.
Wasn't the reason the show was canceled the fact that some parents' group complained about its violent content, completely oblivious to the fact that it was telling a war story where violence is the main fact of life?
I get a bit pissed off when people say things like 'BSG is the first gritty TV space opera' - everything that was a claimed first there was done by S:AB or B5.
I totally fell in love with this show. I remember watching it, and praying to the great FSM in the sky after every episode that they wouldn't cancel it, knowing full well it would be lucky to last a full season.
What's really stuck with me after all these years is their choice of music. Rather than use some modern techno or over-stylized classical music, they would use songs like "Crazy" by Patsy Kline. Its a very haunting song when played against the empty blackness of space.
pretty sure this was the first time i cried because of TV. that last episode hit me hard, i didnt have the brain capable of thinking of self-death as not worst case scenario. with the captain going down with her teammate. (that may not have the exact cannon as the show, but I remember it that way)
If S:AB was the forerunner of BSG, then Earth 2 was definitely the unwed pre-teen mother of Lost.
A lively assortment of crash survivors, all of whom experience gratuitous flashbacks and are never quite what they appear, find themselves scattered over a decidedly un-deserted natural paradise, completely cut off from the rest of civilization, and filled with all manner of batshit-crazy humans, unusual fauna, intricate conspiracies, metaphysical self-discovery, and wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey confusion. Plus, every episode results in two new questions for every one it answers.
@bluehinter: "If S:AB was the forerunner of BSG, then Earth 2 was definitely the unwed pre-teen mother of Lost."
Holy Shit, I was thinking the same thing. Check it out:
- Terry O'Quinn plays a mysterious figure.
- A group of travelers crash their craft into an unknown region.
- Mysterious healing powers - the little boy who couldn't walk is healed, a broken leg of another survivor is healed by a creature's salivia
- They are at odds with a mysterious organization that wants to tap into the power of the island, er, planet
- There are unauthorized medical experiments done on the survivors by the doctor on behalf of the mysterious organization
- Clancy Brown is also on the show.
- There are "Others." People who didn't crash with them but live there already that don't readily reveal themselves.
- They're stranded. Short on supplies.
- The show has (some) flashbacks
- There are extras who never a say word during the entire show's run
- Strange creatures
- One of the crash survivors is really an "other" and works for the mysterious organization. She later betrays the organization and joins the survivors.
- There's a wise black shaman type guy amongst the survivors
- The survivors discover that the planet may have its own interests and desires
@bluehinter: I feel like the io9 love for Earth 2 is sorely lacking. Clearly a progenitor for a whole slew of shows. Also Odyssey 5. Another show with huge potential (but oddly overlooked).
As much as I wanted to like S:AB when it came out, it fell flat for me. It struck me mostly as a military soap opera written by people who really didn't understand the military at all (I'm a Navy brat with various extended family members who served in the military as well) and had even less understanding of the reasonable implications of the show's purported technology and setting. It wasn't as bad as the first "Starship Troopers" movie, but it wasn't much better, either. IMHO. ..bruce..
@TheAlmanac: He's right. S: AB was awesome but it was also awful in its military ignorance. The most glaring example is the pilots were also grunts. I understand the "every marine a rifleman" credo but putting a highly-trained specialist on the ground is a gross oversight. It should mean that when a pilot is shot down, he can defend himself sufficiently, but not expertly, until rescued. It does not mean that he can be used as a shock infantryman.
From cost angle, a pilot costs a lot more to train than an infantry. The marine corps has a lot of infantries but few pilots.
From specialty perspective, this is also foolish. An infantry is a master in the art of ground warfare. A pilot has his area of expertise, in space and atmosphere. Attempt to do both, you'll get a jack-of-all-trades master-of-none.
The series could have been greatly improved by employing two sets of characters, like in Law&Order Criminal Intent - one episode focuses on an infantry squad and the next on the spacefighter squadron.
I enjoyed it, but the one ridiculousness above made me unable to enjoy it fully.
@bfwebster: Totally agree - I was in my fourth year of military service when this show came out - I loved it, but there were many groan-worthy moments. Clearly Wong and Morgan learned about the military via cliches in various war movies. It is not that they intentionally disrespect military culture, but rather that in order to maintain a desired narrative they have to make their characters do things that no member of a modern western military would ever actually do.
@Canoehead: Yeah, that pretty much sums up my objection to a lot of drama (SF or not) that involves the military. Beyond that, though, SAAB fell flat for me -- and that may just be my own tastes.
08/31/09
*slaps hand on the table* Sold. I'll be there for the premier.
08/30/09
Star Trek: Countdown was very close to the line. It was a good comic, and made the movie much more logical; but without having read the comic, I would have seen Nero as a flat, two-dimensional villain whose motivations are not properly explained. As far as I'm concerned that's a huge flaw. If you can't tell the complete story without making fans search for the rest of the information, something's wrong.
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We accept you! We accept you! We accept you!
One of us!
08/31/09
08/26/09
Unfortunately, the writing seemed aimed at an audience dumber than the core sci-fi audience. They would beat one single idea to death for an hour ("Stay with the Dead" is almost unwatchable), whereas any of the Star Trek franchise episodes tend to have multiple twists and Firefly was always tossing out hints of arc even at its most procedural. For this reason, S:AB does not hold up well today.
08/25/09
Gotta join the love for Earth 2 though - that show had some great human drama (and some cheese as well). Plus, it's probably the only TV SF with no FTL.
08/26/09
there haven't been many, but I can think of a handful of shows where space travel was confined to LS or slower. (without cheating and resorting to warp speed, wormholes, transporters, or tesseracts)
The Firefly universe is generally considered to be sub-light speed, though it was never specifically addressed during the television run. Subsequent publications have indicated that the galaxy they inhabit just happens to be extremely dense, with multiple star-systems in close proximity, but it's one of those "suspension of disbelief" things either way you look at it.
Red Dwarf had a light speed cap (for the first couple of seasons at any rate) where the journey back to Earth would take 3 million years. Of course, they managed to find new and interesting ways around that barrier on an almost weekly basis.
There was also the short-lived Sci-Fi channel adaptation of Deepwater Black, where the entire crew consists of cryogenically frozen clones, who are woken up early to deal with a crisis.
I'm sure there have been others, but that's the best I can do at 1AM in the morning. :)
08/25/09
B5 (on again, off again)
SeaQuest (before it jumped the shark)
Earth2: I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers it.
Missing from list: Star Trek: Deep Space 9. This was pre-Dominion War, and my young mind thought DS9 was boring! It proved me wrong later, though.
I'll have to give SAAB another try...
08/25/09
Sad that shows like this can't remain long enough while others go on forever. Like Stargate, which was/is just mostly stupid and irritating (and I really liked the original movie).
One thing that is certain about shows like this and with Firefly as another example, that had even less episodes to speak of, they can at least remain somewhat pure for what they were at the time, like reading a good book that stays in your memories despite there having never been more. Perhaps like having read the Hobbit and never getting the Lord of the Rings. Except in that case with a man like JRR Tolkien, you had an impressive story teller. More, was just as good if not better.
08/25/09
08/25/09
08/25/09
What's really stuck with me after all these years is their choice of music. Rather than use some modern techno or over-stylized classical music, they would use songs like "Crazy" by Patsy Kline. Its a very haunting song when played against the empty blackness of space.
08/25/09
08/25/09
A lively assortment of crash survivors, all of whom experience gratuitous flashbacks and are never quite what they appear, find themselves scattered over a decidedly un-deserted natural paradise, completely cut off from the rest of civilization, and filled with all manner of batshit-crazy humans, unusual fauna, intricate conspiracies, metaphysical self-discovery, and wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey confusion. Plus, every episode results in two new questions for every one it answers.
08/25/09
Holy Shit, I was thinking the same thing. Check it out:
- Terry O'Quinn plays a mysterious figure.
- A group of travelers crash their craft into an unknown region.
- Mysterious healing powers - the little boy who couldn't walk is healed, a broken leg of another survivor is healed by a creature's salivia
- They are at odds with a mysterious organization that wants to tap into the power of the island, er, planet
- There are unauthorized medical experiments done on the survivors by the doctor on behalf of the mysterious organization
- Clancy Brown is also on the show.
- There are "Others." People who didn't crash with them but live there already that don't readily reveal themselves.
- They're stranded. Short on supplies.
- The show has (some) flashbacks
- There are extras who never a say word during the entire show's run
- Strange creatures
- One of the crash survivors is really an "other" and works for the mysterious organization. She later betrays the organization and joins the survivors.
- There's a wise black shaman type guy amongst the survivors
- The survivors discover that the planet may have its own interests and desires
08/25/09
Tell me the secret of the island, um, I mean planet.
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08/25/09
Like Firefly. Or Terminator:SCC.
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08/25/09
From cost angle, a pilot costs a lot more to train than an infantry. The marine corps has a lot of infantries but few pilots.
From specialty perspective, this is also foolish. An infantry is a master in the art of ground warfare. A pilot has his area of expertise, in space and atmosphere. Attempt to do both, you'll get a jack-of-all-trades master-of-none.
The series could have been greatly improved by employing two sets of characters, like in Law&Order Criminal Intent - one episode focuses on an infantry squad and the next on the spacefighter squadron.
I enjoyed it, but the one ridiculousness above made me unable to enjoy it fully.
08/26/09
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