I'm the director of the documentary that has been following these teams and the competition for almost three years now and we, too, are heading out to the desert on Sunday for the games! Hopefully there will even be a winner this year (the games have been going on since 2005 and, to date, no one has yet claimed the prize money). You can see clips from the movie here: [www.bitterjester.com]#spaceelevator
If only Phantom Limb hadn't been murdered the Guild of Calamitous Intent's entry would've won but we don't have his password to turn it on so we lose by default. :( #spaceelevator
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The latest problem with the space elevator is the coriolis effect, that would force the elevator move really slow to retain balance, meaning that the trip to the orbit would take weeks. It would still revolutionize the transport of materials into space, but transferring people on it would be at least as tedious as launching rockets. #spaceelevator
@Lightice: I still dont buy the idea of using an elevator the whole way.
From ground to geo-sycn is VERY high.
However, if you dont have fixed-point to fixed point, but rather a (moving) tether that that drops as low as, say, SpaceShipTwos height, you can cut a lot of time of the trip and make the whole thing a lot more realistic as well.
Sure, its still incredibly hard, and you have added the challenge of hocking onto a moving target.
But Id wager thats still easier then ground to geo-sycn orbit. #spaceelevator
@twDarkflame: Perhaps, but I haven't seen any designs for a sky-hook outside science fiction, while space-elevator is being prepared as a serious, if long-winded project. The main problem that I see from the start would be the power-source - what would propel this massive construct permanently, and keep it from dislodging from the stable orbit while grabbing objects? #spaceelevator
@Pittsburghmuggle: Yeah, as soon as we manage to move an entire cruise-ship tethered to a cable with laser power. Just moving a couple of tons of cargo to the sky relatively cheaply would be a giant leap forward in space industry, but an elevator capable of moving large buildings? That will take awhile longer than an elevator to be sure, and even the elevator itself is still decades away... #spaceelevator
@Lightice: The power source I was thinking would just be solar.
Youd then use a counter-balance to keep tension in the cable, letting the counter balance out to either literally pull it up (ver a smaller cable), or merely to power a moter doing the same. By using a larger rock or weight in this manner you could store the energy a long time in advance of needing to pull something. (as, after all, you don't get that much from solar).
The counter balance would, of course, need to be in a slightly faster orbit. And the combined mass of the winchpoint and counterbalance and cargo would all need to be within reasonable limits in order to not drag the whole thing down.
But in principle I'm not sure I see a problem.
Orbital corrections would have to be done on the main winch platform, also, but this would be no more challenging then what the ISS already does. (propellant would have to be lifted regularly with other cargo).
Small corrections could be made using electric charges in the drop cable, there is some funky methods to get lift using the atmosphere itself. But, obviously, for most big manivours you need propellant.
Its going to be hard, and I see a world of problems...but I am puzzled why it isnt being looked into as much. Maybe there is a complete impossibility I'm overlooking.
But with ground-to-seo-sycn orbit, even with nanofibers, we are talking about cable that would have to be hundreds of meters thick.
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Every time I read something like this or see a report on it, my heart rate increases. Despite the efforts of bureaucrats every where, I still have hope that one day we will reach the stars. #spaceelevator
leave it to a local news network to take something cool, like calling yourself a space pirate, and turn it into something tired and pedantic via cumbersome euphemisms and frequent checking of the teleprompter to make sure they’ve got it right. #spaceelevator
Maybe NOT so far away. [www.spaceelevatorconference.org] [www.nasa.gov] [www.pcworld.com]
With a few large companies being interested. There might be resistance from USA NIMBY groups but I'd bet a country like Indonesia would jump at it because of the bucks involved. Millions of jobs and the chicks are free.
Not sure what Roald Dahl, though he is one of my favorite writers, has to do with it. The idea of the space elevator has its home in the mind of late visionary writer Arthur C Clarke.
It's been depicted in many piece of fiction, one of my favorites being the Red/Blue/Green Mars series by Kim Stanley Robinson. Highly recommended if you're curious about how this technology can be applied. Space elevators are also featured in Peter F Hamilton's Reality Dysfunction series.
One thing is sure, it's going to circumvent the problem of reaching escape velocity to get payloads into space. Vertically we're talking tens of kilometers but it takes huge amounts of energy, currently in the form of rocket propellant, to lift anything there. A space elevator could potentially be "free" in terms of energy usage as it could be solar powered.
"suggest that people are still grappling with the challenges of creating a space elevator, which may still be decades away."
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Yeah, probably a whole bunch of decades. I'd be thrilled to be proven wrong, though.
-Kle.
HOLY SHIT that space elevator is depicted being located on the island where I live! (in Indonesia, the island of Sulawesi)
Not in my province, though. I live in the southern tip of the island. Just thinking about the imaginary local economic growth makes me giddy! :D
and it makes total sense, too! we're located at the Equator, meaning optimum centrifugal kick that may aid departing space vessels; and on an island as opposed to massive land mass, meaning lower casualty/damage projection if the beanstalk comes tumbling down.
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And this is a cool blog: [www.spaceelevatorblog.com] #spaceelevator
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From ground to geo-sycn is VERY high.
However, if you dont have fixed-point to fixed point, but rather a (moving) tether that that drops as low as, say, SpaceShipTwos height, you can cut a lot of time of the trip and make the whole thing a lot more realistic as well.
Sure, its still incredibly hard, and you have added the challenge of hocking onto a moving target.
But Id wager thats still easier then ground to geo-sycn orbit. #spaceelevator
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Youd then use a counter-balance to keep tension in the cable, letting the counter balance out to either literally pull it up (ver a smaller cable), or merely to power a moter doing the same. By using a larger rock or weight in this manner you could store the energy a long time in advance of needing to pull something. (as, after all, you don't get that much from solar).
The counter balance would, of course, need to be in a slightly faster orbit. And the combined mass of the winchpoint and counterbalance and cargo would all need to be within reasonable limits in order to not drag the whole thing down.
But in principle I'm not sure I see a problem.
Orbital corrections would have to be done on the main winch platform, also, but this would be no more challenging then what the ISS already does. (propellant would have to be lifted regularly with other cargo).
Small corrections could be made using electric charges in the drop cable, there is some funky methods to get lift using the atmosphere itself. But, obviously, for most big manivours you need propellant.
Its going to be hard, and I see a world of problems...but I am puzzled why it isnt being looked into as much. Maybe there is a complete impossibility I'm overlooking.
But with ground-to-seo-sycn orbit, even with nanofibers, we are talking about cable that would have to be hundreds of meters thick.
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[www.spaceelevatorconference.org]
[www.nasa.gov]
[www.pcworld.com]
With a few large companies being interested. There might be resistance from USA NIMBY groups but I'd bet a country like Indonesia would jump at it because of the bucks involved. Millions of jobs and the chicks are free.
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It's been depicted in many piece of fiction, one of my favorites being the Red/Blue/Green Mars series by Kim Stanley Robinson. Highly recommended if you're curious about how this technology can be applied. Space elevators are also featured in Peter F Hamilton's Reality Dysfunction series.
One thing is sure, it's going to circumvent the problem of reaching escape velocity to get payloads into space. Vertically we're talking tens of kilometers but it takes huge amounts of energy, currently in the form of rocket propellant, to lift anything there. A space elevator could potentially be "free" in terms of energy usage as it could be solar powered.
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You should read The Glass Elevator, his sequel to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
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Yeah, probably a whole bunch of decades. I'd be thrilled to be proven wrong, though.
-Kle.
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Not in my province, though. I live in the southern tip of the island. Just thinking about the imaginary local economic growth makes me giddy! :D
and it makes total sense, too! we're located at the Equator, meaning optimum centrifugal kick that may aid departing space vessels; and on an island as opposed to massive land mass, meaning lower casualty/damage projection if the beanstalk comes tumbling down.