@Moff: Why don't you just change your link to some Africa charity, or something? It's not like you've put a new post on your blog in TEN MILLION YEARS.
@Moff: You should adopt a bunch of starving third world orphans and give them strange names like Conestoga Firebird or Tenzing X-ray. If you can't find any orphans, they're easy to make.
@Grey_Area: Naw, RFID chips. That way they don't even know they're there. The fearful uncertainty adds a little je ne sais quoi that really comes out on the broiler.
@Moff: How did you know my mother hosts large formal gatherings? But for the record, Bono was never and would never be invited, cause he's a donkey fucker, same reason we had to un-invite your mom!
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I saw Dio with Heaven and Hell last year in Long Island. Motörhead also played, which was why we were there. The only problem was that the venue didn't serve beer, which sort of destroys the whole point.
And that video has to be the most sterling example of action-medieval-fantasy metal music video. Why don't all bands make videos like that? I don't know.
@braak: I don't think sheep can catch chlamydia, and I think Plague prefers you call her his sister. The wedding was just a formality for the tax breaks.
@braak: My blow up doll can't get clamydia. Nor can my Tenga.
But I was agreeing with you, so I don't know why you went off.
Unless you were swept up in the spirit.
@braak: See this is the problem with the internet! We have 5 or 6 really bored guys who should be out drinking together on a lovely Friday afternoon. But thanks to technology, we are stuck at desks because we're all several hundred miles from eachother.
@Davio: Yes! Although a day (or maybe even a couple) earlier in other parts of the world, so if you're one of those people who downloads things from the Internet for free, the wait is a bit shorter.
I think U2 is well past their prime, but they haven't become the Rolling Stones, yet.
I don't see any reason to mock people for liking them, but I don't really think they're too terribly science-fictional.
Bono's kind of a wiener, but no more so than most celebrities. He's certainly no worse than all those "charity concert" pukes. I'm just so motivated when people who are several orders of magnitude richer that I tell me I should donate money to a cause, since they're donating their precious, precious time.
@Klebert L. Hall: It is better when celebrities don't donate their time, and instead, poor or middle-class people use all of their leisure and clout to reach millions of people.
I know! So many people loathe U2 for helping people who aren't white. Where do you live, in Capetown? Are you fucking kidding me?
Ive met more haters of the Stones, the Doors, and even Zeppelin than I have U2. They're like the Big Mac of contemporary classic rock- they tap a mainstream vain bulging on the cholesterol American classic rock radio.
I love io9, I do I do. But what about Sigur Ros? Or Trans Am? Or the Mars Volta? Or Porcupine Tree? Or even Rush for chrissakes, or a million other more bands whove taken time to influence the genre in some way?...
It could have been a slip of the fingers, but Annys is right--How the hell does a self-proclaimed U2 fan--as big as this man claims to be--manage to get the drummer's name wrong? Larry Mullen, Jr. founded the band, for Pete's sake!
The fact that Bono makes hundreds of millions of dollars while preaching his ass off about his cause of the week and telling everyone that tax payers should pay off the third world's debt only to turn around and do everything humanly possible to avoid his own tax burden while pushing various corporate initiatives that conveniently save him from having to invest any of his own money in the causes he supposedly champions is more than enough for me to want him to burn in hell. So I think listening to his music is totally out of the question.
@Harrison_Bergeron: I don't care for U2 or Bono's music much (see above), but one could argue that the awareness that Bono brings to those causes is worth more than a huge donation, because it spurs others to act and donate, in addition to possibly having a viral or ripple effect that might last for years.
Sometimes a celebrity's fame is worth more than a specific sum of money would be.
PS - Moff, I hope you'll forgive me for not liking Bono and being too serious since I'm defending your band! ;)
PPS - I don't think anyone's called me "serious" before! Whee!
@Lee Waters: Awareness doesn't do much when no one donates to your cause because they all think you're a total tool saying, "do what I say, not as I do."
@Harrison_Bergeron: So basically, because he's keeping something private, which could be for a number of reasons (like his Christianity, which advocates not advertising one's own good deeds to the world, even as it asks us to ask more of others), you're sure he's hiding something. Because it makes more sense to think he's devoting all that time off from the band to these causes but never just writes a check? It seems a bit odd that someone would do relief work in Africa, start and promote international relief organizations, and sit through Congressional meetings when they could be out being a rock star, and then suddenly be too selfish to donate any of his own money.
Anyway, neither of us has more than an assumption to go by, but yours seems predicated on some pretty bizarre behavior -- generally, people give money first, long before they actually get directly involved in a cause. (And even if Bono isn't giving any of his money, just calling what he has done "awareness" is pretty weak when he's not making PSAs but meeting with heads of state. His pet issue, Africa, is one of the only things Bush ended up getting much right on, and yes, some of it was because Bono was fighting for it, and pushing the president's religion in his own face.)
@Lee Waters: Oh, I was being tongue-in-cheek, too. ;-)
@Harrison_Bergeron: So basically, again, because his band, which includes four people beyond him (their manager, Paul McGuinness, has always been part of their business decisions), made a choice to pay less in taxes, as any business entity might, Bono is a fraud?
I mean, wow, dude -- it's no wonder more famous people aren't involved in good causes. If you try to do some good and then do anything less than saintly from that point on, you're somehow a worse person than all the celebrities who don't ever lend their time or money to anything worthwhile.
Bono and U2 haven't ever pretended not to be capitalists (I like how an article on Bloomberg.com makes that word sound like a pejorative), and they've always been very clear that they don't think they're saints. That so many people are eager to accuse them of it probably says more about those people, as is usually the case when people are throwing stones.
@Moff: Bottom line for me is the guy is annoying and his music makes me want to rupture my eardrums with toothpicks. Top that off with the fact that his charitable efforts nearly always coincide with the release of a new album or tour. So his shameless use of world tragedies to pimp his own wares has the collateral effect of helping some of the people involved, does that make him any less of a tool?
@Harrison_Bergeron: I don't care if you find him annoying -- most of us who are fans roll our eyes plenty at Bono -- and I don't care if you don't like the music. I just think you're letting your personal feelings color your take on the situation.
I mean, no, his charitable efforts don't coincide with the release of albums -- U2's media coverage increases as they get closer to releasing new albums, and Bono's coverage increases as a result of that; and he's never shy about promoting his activism. But he ends up going on at length about third-world debt relief to journalists who want to talk about music, not using questions about Africa to market his CDs. And U2 haven't released anything in four and a half years and he's kept plenty busy working on Africa stuff in the interim. He started doing it in the mid-'80s, even before The Joshua Tree came out and they were international superstars, after he took a break from music to do relief work in Ethiopia.
I'm just saying, he's logged the hours, and the record shows he uses his music as a platform to talk about the issues, not the other way around. God forbid rich and famous people should get involved in making the world a better place. That's something we need less of. :-p
@Harrison_Bergeron: Sorry to be so vehement. It's not really even about U2. I just think it's really frustrating that so many people talk about improving the world but sneer at anyone who tries to do that if they're not perfect. We shouldn't mindlessly rally behind celebrities, or anyone else, but we shouldn't automatically call their efforts illegitimate either, just because they're rich and famous.
This is kinda proving that U2 was SF's finest band. Back in the 90's.
I've been an SF fan since Original Trek was new, and if you'd asked me to name SF-ish bands, I'd have gone with Queen, Bowie, some of the punk and electronica bands, Wendy Carlos... I doubt I'd ever have gotten to U2, even in the 90's. I mean, I'd have thought of Blue Man Group before U2!
@Evil Tortie's Mom: This is sort of true. But you can still get all the material from the '90s, and the years since have not diminished the quality or relevance.
And there would have been all sorts of logistical problems trying to write about U2 for io9 back in the '90s.
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It's also a lyric from a song he wrote not quite ten years ago called "American Prayer."
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Honestly, Moff, I don't understand why more people don't follow your comments on the myriad of sites to which you contribute.
You are like a celebrity responder.
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Bono please just go
Bono's silly to justify
One man to kill this show
In the name of love
Please stop in the name of love
In the name of love
Please stop in the name of love
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I am. I'm listening to THE WHO. Far more rock than U2 could hope to be on their best day.
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I MEAN 'CAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE.
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I saw Dio with Heaven and Hell last year in Long Island. Motörhead also played, which was why we were there. The only problem was that the venue didn't serve beer, which sort of destroys the whole point.
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And that video has to be the most sterling example of action-medieval-fantasy metal music video. Why don't all bands make videos like that? I don't know.
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Like U2.
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THAT ONE ALWAYS WORKS, PLUS I GET TO HIDE IN THE CLOSET AND WATCH OTHER DUDES HAVE SEX WITH MY WIFE.
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I AM ROCKING THE ALL-CAPS TODAY.
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And you fart.
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But I was agreeing with you, so I don't know why you went off.
Unless you were swept up in the spirit.
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And there is only one rock song about mermaids.
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@Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.: "UNDER THE SEA" IS NOT A ROCK SONG EVEN IF YOU DO BLAST IT FROM YOUR VAN IN THE HIGH SCHOOL PARKING LOT, DEAN.
WHICH BY THE WAY IS CREEPY.
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HAPPY FRIDAY!!
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@Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.: ...but you do keep me from having to find my own cartoons to touch myself to.
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@Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.: ...but you do keep me from having to find my own cartoons to touch myself to.
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I am going to see this, and I will enjoy it. I am not being sarcastic.
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It was specifically his role in Cabaret that led to his career taking off. He has musical theater experience, and LAUDED musical-theater experience.
While I hated him as Nightcrawler, he seems tailor-made for this project. (The project is ridiculous, but not the choice of Cumming in said project.)
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But I love U2 as well, so carry on! March the 3rd isn't it?...
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I don't see any reason to mock people for liking them, but I don't really think they're too terribly science-fictional.
Bono's kind of a wiener, but no more so than most celebrities. He's certainly no worse than all those "charity concert" pukes. I'm just so motivated when people who are several orders of magnitude richer that I tell me I should donate money to a cause, since they're donating their precious, precious time.
-Kle.
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Ive met more haters of the Stones, the Doors, and even Zeppelin than I have U2. They're like the Big Mac of contemporary classic rock- they tap a mainstream vain bulging on the cholesterol American classic rock radio.
I love io9, I do I do. But what about Sigur Ros? Or Trans Am? Or the Mars Volta? Or Porcupine Tree? Or even Rush for chrissakes, or a million other more bands whove taken time to influence the genre in some way?...
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Second -- really? You think he hasn't put any money -- not to mention his time -- into his causes? You really think that?
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Sometimes a celebrity's fame is worth more than a specific sum of money would be.
PS - Moff, I hope you'll forgive me for not liking Bono and being too serious since I'm defending your band! ;)
PPS - I don't think anyone's called me "serious" before! Whee!
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This is rather enlightening as well: [www.bloomberg.com]
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Anyway, neither of us has more than an assumption to go by, but yours seems predicated on some pretty bizarre behavior -- generally, people give money first, long before they actually get directly involved in a cause. (And even if Bono isn't giving any of his money, just calling what he has done "awareness" is pretty weak when he's not making PSAs but meeting with heads of state. His pet issue, Africa, is one of the only things Bush ended up getting much right on, and yes, some of it was because Bono was fighting for it, and pushing the president's religion in his own face.)
@Lee Waters: Oh, I was being tongue-in-cheek, too. ;-)
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I mean, wow, dude -- it's no wonder more famous people aren't involved in good causes. If you try to do some good and then do anything less than saintly from that point on, you're somehow a worse person than all the celebrities who don't ever lend their time or money to anything worthwhile.
Bono and U2 haven't ever pretended not to be capitalists (I like how an article on Bloomberg.com makes that word sound like a pejorative), and they've always been very clear that they don't think they're saints. That so many people are eager to accuse them of it probably says more about those people, as is usually the case when people are throwing stones.
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I mean, no, his charitable efforts don't coincide with the release of albums -- U2's media coverage increases as they get closer to releasing new albums, and Bono's coverage increases as a result of that; and he's never shy about promoting his activism. But he ends up going on at length about third-world debt relief to journalists who want to talk about music, not using questions about Africa to market his CDs. And U2 haven't released anything in four and a half years and he's kept plenty busy working on Africa stuff in the interim. He started doing it in the mid-'80s, even before The Joshua Tree came out and they were international superstars, after he took a break from music to do relief work in Ethiopia.
I'm just saying, he's logged the hours, and the record shows he uses his music as a platform to talk about the issues, not the other way around. God forbid rich and famous people should get involved in making the world a better place. That's something we need less of. :-p
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I've been an SF fan since Original Trek was new, and if you'd asked me to name SF-ish bands, I'd have gone with Queen, Bowie, some of the punk and electronica bands, Wendy Carlos... I doubt I'd ever have gotten to U2, even in the 90's. I mean, I'd have thought of Blue Man Group before U2!
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And there would have been all sorts of logistical problems trying to write about U2 for io9 back in the '90s.
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