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gigshaft
08:29 PM

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I can't believe no one's mentioned Doctor Who. A franchise built entirely on the idea of the lead character's undeath. #startrek
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bookwench
08:18 PM

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Re-naming this thread "There's Something About Kenny" in honor of the most-dead cartoon character ever. Even if I hate the show, Kenny has the title. #startrek
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bookwench
08:15 PM

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On the topic of resurrection, has anyone else been keeping track of how many times Sam and Dean die in Supernatural? I watched it once, then re-watched them with my husband (had to introduce him to the show because of the cars and music) and the second time through I almost fell out of my chair laughing every time a Winchester died. It's like a drinking game. #startrek
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Dr Emilio Lizardo
08:11 PM

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How about Jadzia Dax and her reincarnation as Ezri? Does that count? #startrek
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geesejuggler
07:33 PM

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I showed this article to my mom and sister, which then launched into this arguement on whether or not Spock actually died. This is, of course, after the long lecture from my mom on why time travel is implausible and sucks as a story line. Having a geek family is a two-edged sword.

*Update: Does Deadpool and/or Anyone from Smallvile count?
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SJ_Edwards
05:03 PM

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Allison (Young) from Palmdale.
Died: 2026
Undied: altered future 2007-2026
Cause of death: Trachea crushed after interrogation by Terminator Cameron, ostensibly for failure-to-cooperate in an attempt to kill 2026 John Connor.
Does it count as death: "Apparently not".....

Allison's failure-to-cooperate was a self-sacrificial attempt to save John Connor in 2026.
Which may or may not have worked.
Terminator Cameron was caught, whilst attempting to kill John, scrubbed and sent back to 1999 to find John and jump him forward to 2007.
2007 John and Cameron caused the removal from Depot 37 of the Coltan that Terminator Cameron would have been built from, at Depot 37 in 2026, thus preventing Cameron from existing in 2026 and killing Allison. Thus establishing a future where Allison continues to live.
Later John jumps from 2009 to this 2026.
Thus establishing a future where no John Connor had existed since 2009 because he had jumped out of its past.
So John and Allison then exist together again in an altered future 2026.

Cameron's chipless endoskeleton is left back in this future's 2009 past, along with the physical Turk/John Henry AI (which may have merged with Cameron's chip either just prior to the jump or earlier when Cameron's chip briefly merged with the (Crom?)ARTIE traffic control network) and Sarah Connor.
Cameron's chip (+AI?) is in Cromartie's endoskeleton along with Terminator Catherine Weaver in this future, with a live Kyle Reese and Uncle Derek Reese,
who.....
Died: 2009
Undied: altered future 2009-2026
Cause of death: "Bullet to the brainpan, squish."
Does it count as death: Every death counts. #startrek
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Im_your_Huckleberry
05:11 PM

@SJ_Edwards: Better take some Tylenol after all of that. Damn, my head hurts just reading all of that. #startrek
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SJ_Edwards
05:19 PM

@Im_your_Huckleberry: I did my best to shorten and simplify it :)
I suspect that Season 3 of TSCC may have been more complicated...... #startrek
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Im_your_Huckleberry
05:30 PM

@SJ_Edwards: Yea, most series hit their stride in their third season. Look at Heroes........wait...... crap, tried to keep a straight face. :)
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Dr Emilio Lizardo
08:02 PM

@SJ_Edwards: This is beautiful on so many levels. #startrek
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Smeagol92055
08:36 PM

@SJ_Edwards: Marry me. #startrek
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Wookie1972
03:21 PM

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Oh, and what about the original oh-sh*t-he's-still-popular-so-I-have-to-bring-...: Sherlock Holmes? Not sci-fi at all, but still genre. #startrek
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
07:24 PM

@Wookie1972: The classic example, an influence on many of these. #startrek
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Smeagol92055
08:38 PM

@Wookie1972: I disagree. Sherlock Holmes was urban fantasy at the very least, which counts here at io9. #startrek
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Wookie1972
02:57 PM

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Oh, and on the subject of Batman, what about Alfred? #startrek
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Wookie1972
02:51 PM

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Um, wasn't the whole "Phoenix force was never really Jean Grey" Thing a big ol' Retcon in the first place? That was pretty much the moment I stopped caring about Marvel comics, especially since Jim Shooter was all sanctimonious about how Phoenix "had to die." #startrek
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Rocketknight
02:43 PM

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Every time I see shitty, ridiculous retcons that bring back characters, my desire to pay attention to the franchise starts to take a nosedive.

For instance, I read on Wikipedia that Gwen Stacy dies in Ultimate Spider-Man, just like in the mainstream universe. Cool, right? I heard soon after that she was brought back. Now I have zero desire to read it past that point.

I wish people would kill off their characters and leave them that way. DC and Marvel especially. #startrek
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Wookie1972
03:30 PM

@Rocketknight: The trouble is that any given continuity can last, at beast, a few years. You can't have Peter Parker still haunted by the death of Gwen Stacy (or Uncle Ben, for that matter), when it in fact happened over 40 years ago. #startrek
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Rocketknight
03:41 PM

@Wookie1972: So don't have him haunted by the death for 40 years. Have him get the hell over it and show him enter a new phase in his life. Or better yet, finish up the character's story and move on to a new franchise!

But that would be asking too much. #startrek
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Lassus
02:10 PM

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I'd like to give the first book shout-out in this list to Bella Lind at the end of Pushing Ice by Alastair Reynolds.

There's a quick revival technique established early in the book by an alien race, but Bella's takes about 20 years due to the severity of her injuries. She's not even fully her, making the revival actually somewhat logical. #startrek
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icelight
04:46 PM

@Lassus: No, that doesn't count, because the entire ending to that book was utterly worthless. It was very much still in Reynolds "I couldn't write and ending of a story to save my life" phase. Fortunately he's doing better now. #startrek
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Lassus
04:56 PM

@icelight: Well, I completely disagree in regards to your opinion on the ending (also, that book in actually in the latter part of his output, not the earlier), but considering the dreck of things like the ret-cons this article exposes it would most certainly count. #startrek
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icelight
05:01 PM

@Lassus: No, I know where it is in his bibliography. (Right in the middle, counting collections of short stories.) I either didn't like, or actively hated, the ending of anything before The Prefect. The first 90% of his novels are great, just not how he wraps them up. But that's just me, of course. #startrek
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Davio
02:07 PM

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You could have made an equal list from the buffyverse. #startrek
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AmishJohn
04:39 PM

@Davio: And the Heroverse... #startrek
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Dr Emilio Lizardo
08:05 PM

@AmishJohn: Nobody ever really dies in Heroes. it's one of the biggest problems of the show. #startrek
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Discodave: R.O.A.C.H. M.O.T.E.L.
01:26 PM

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What about Whistler from Blade? Definitely, categorically dead (though offscreen) in the first, then appears as if by magic in the second. And let's not even go there with his having a daughter he never mentioned in the first two films... #startrek
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GreyHammer
01:42 PM

@Discodave: R.O.A.C.H. M.O.T.E.L.: they explained why he came back in the second tehy turned him into a vampire to spite him.

also i think he wanted to keep his hot daughter away from blade. he was a closet racist.
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Bill-Lee
01:15 PM

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John Sheridan doesn't even die after using up the 20 years of life given to him by Lorien -- he pulls a Frodo and is taken beyond the Galactic Rim by the First Ones. #startrek
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Bill-Lee
01:08 PM

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When it comes to Boba Fett, I think I accept the movie version of his death over Dark Empire's, although the idea that the sarlacc couldn't digest Fett was kind of funny. #startrek
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Wookie1972
02:53 PM

@Bill-Lee: I really, really am trying not to be so bitter and such a nay-sayer, but doesn't anybody else think Boba Fett is the most overrated character ever? #startrek
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Bill-Lee
03:32 PM

@Wookie1972: Yeah, he is pretty overrated. He's on screen for all of 15 mins. in the entire original trilogy and is killed accidentally by blind Han Solo. I think there is one cool moment involving Boba Fett and that's when Vader is talking to the bounty hunters and he specifically tells Fett, "No disintegrations". That implies that Fett is this huge badass...killed by someone accidentally setting off his jetpack.
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bookling
03:49 PM

@Wookie1972: I think the allure of Boba Fett was that oooh, he's a BOUNTY HUNTER and he wears a helmet so we never see his FACE, and he never TALKS, isn't he MYSTERIOUS? But yeah, pretty overrated, especially considering the only way he could catch Han was with Vader's help. #startrek
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
07:30 PM

@Bill-Lee: Yeah, I never understood the people who were all "OMG HE'S THE BEST!!!", and was pretty WTF at the comic book resurrection, which struck me as serious Mary Sue-ness.

He got killed by a blind guy and a large chomping monster. That cool suit didn't help him a bit. #startrek
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