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Nasdaf
11/13/09

In reply to More Exclusive Green Hornet Set Pics, Whedon Spills On Dollhouse's Final Episodes, And Fringe's Observers Revealed
Why won't ABC put the newest episode of V online? How are they worse than FOX these days? I can watch Fringe not even a day later than it airs (though the episode should still be available online at the same time as it airs (or at least IMMEDIATELY after it ends)).

People only download shows illegally b/c its easier and faster to aquire the content. If ABC, FOX, etc made it easier to get HD content immediately for a nominal fee, people would pay for it. Sure some people would continue to download purely because they don't want to spend money, put these shows are about building a fan base anyway - don't they want people to want to watch?

Shows should be available online for HD streaming within 5 minutes of the shows live airtime debut. Shows should also be for sale on iTunes with an HD download becoming available as soon as the airtime starts. #thegreenhornet
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Blue_Thark
11/13/09

@Nasdaf: The pilot went up online the Saturday after it aired. They are making them available for streaming, just not immediately. Personally I'm not quite invested enough in V yet to care that much. #thegreenhornet
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Wookie1972
11/13/09

@Blue_Thark: I think ABC missed a bet by not making it a miniseries. I'm old enough to remember the original VIVIDLY, and the fact that it ran over a few nights really upped the impact. #thegreenhornet
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Wookie1972
11/13/09

In reply to More Exclusive Green Hornet Set Pics, Whedon Spills On Dollhouse's Final Episodes, And Fringe's Observers Revealed
As you might have guessed from my previous posts, I'm not a big fan of Whedon. I don't *hate* the guy, I just find his fans kind of... fixated, but as someone who has his own favourites (Go Team Venture!) I shouldn't talk.

Nonetheless, I think that Whedonites need to realize that there are two kinds of fans: Gnostics and Evangelists (if the religious terms offend you, I'm sorry). Evangelists are the kind of fan who try to tell other people about how great what they like is. Gnostics, otoh, regard their favourite thing as a secret that only they can appreciate, using codewords (like "No Power in the 'verse!") that if you don't understand, you're no good.

I think Whedonites are too often Gnostics for his stuff to be mainstream hits. #thegreenhornet
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omnibus_spiritus
11/13/09

@Wookie1972: OMG. I'm not alone. A heart for you!
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drk_cyde
11/13/09

@Wookie1972: I am glad someone decided to speak up against the Joss Whedon is the God of all that is good with TV thing #thegreenhornet
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howardhwen001
11/13/09

@Wookie1972: I was a total Buffy fan and enjoyed most of the seasons of Angel. But I just could never get into Firefly and all these other Whedon projects post-Buffyverse. I really like Neal Patrick Harris but just couldn't stand Dr. Horrible -- there, I said it, folks.

I find the whole cute/clever/self-awareness style of Whedon's (and his cohorts' -- e.g., Jane Epsenson) writing to have become overbearing, annoying, pretentious, and, worse, outdated in this day and age of live-action entertainment.
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
11/13/09

@Wookie1972: I would totally heart you again for that if it was possible. What a great analogy. #thegreenhornet
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Wookie1972
11/13/09

@Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.:
It's not really about Whedon, it's about the way you see fandom. Do you see fandom as the good news you want to share (again, sorry for the religious analogy, but it works for me) or do you see it as a secret society with handshakes and the like? Too many geeks, imho of course, go the "screw them if they don't like it" route, which doesn't exactly keep up the demographics.

But I dunno, I mean I have my own cult faves as well. It's easy to be possessive about them. #thegreenhornet
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octaslash
11/13/09

@Wookie1972: You can't really generalize his fans (or fans in general) that way. There's no way you can compare fandom to worship.

"We live as though the world were as it should be, to show it what it can be."- Whedon Gospel; Angel 4:1

We're just trying to make the world a better place!!! #thegreenhornet
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
11/13/09

@Wookie1972: Yeah, I got that. I'm more of an evangelist. The Gnostic comparison was particularly good. #thegreenhornet
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Magicant
11/13/09

In reply to More Exclusive Green Hornet Set Pics, Whedon Spills On Dollhouse's Final Episodes, And Fringe's Observers Revealed
I've enjoyed Dollhouse a lot and am sad to see it go, but reading some of those recaps just makes me feel like the thin line between "complex" and "meandering" has been crossed a few too many times. #thegreenhornet
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shoroko
11/13/09

In reply to More Exclusive Green Hornet Set Pics, Whedon Spills On Dollhouse's Final Episodes, And Fringe's Observers Revealed
I don't think that article says Castiel's going to lose his virginity in the Nov. 19 episode - Collins says he's looking forward to Castiel losing his virginity, but that in the Nov. 19 episode he'll be in a drinking contest or whatever. #thegreenhornet
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Allen_Richards
11/13/09

@shoroko: I came to post that that was the greatest SUPERNATURAL spoiler ever, and now I see you've burst my bubble. Damn.

The thought of Cas getting ass just brings a giant grin to my face.... #thegreenhornet
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spidyredneckjedi
11/13/09

@shoroko: That solidifies Castiel isnt exiting stage left in next week's episode, however, if he is still looking to the future. That, or they planted one heck of a misdirect in TV Guide.
Leaves it between the Harvelle's and Bobby as the two mortally wounded.
Damn, the apocalypse sucks. #thegreenhornet
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shoroko
11/13/09

@Allen_Richards: Sorry :( But it sounds like it's in the realm of possibility, at least.

@spidyredneckjedi: Yep. Unless they pull some "lolz we meant the Impala," it's not looking good. My bet based on last night's promo would be Bobby and Jo. #thegreenhornet
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spidyredneckjedi
11/13/09

@shoroko: They've killed the Impala more than once, too, and it has come back from the dead, so that doesn't really count. #thegreenhornet
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Lassus
11/13/09

In reply to More Exclusive Green Hornet Set Pics, Whedon Spills On Dollhouse's Final Episodes, And Fringe's Observers Revealed
Additional comments that I'm sure you're all fascinated to hear:

I actually think that's specifically NOT a great picture of Baccarin, but it just might be due to the extreme close up.

I have to wonder why you would take someone so unbelievably graceful as Summer Glau - a conservatory-level dancer - and hobble her movements with that sling. It's somehow painful to look at. Maybe that's the point I guess, but yuck. #thegreenhornet
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OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear
11/13/09

@Lassus: It looks like they made shopped her to look thinner and whiter. #thegreenhornet
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firstanointed
11/13/09

In reply to More Exclusive Green Hornet Set Pics, Whedon Spills On Dollhouse's Final Episodes, And Fringe's Observers Revealed
I think since Dollhouse is canceled, TPTB should just scrap every episode that has not yet aired so far, and write up a bunch of nutty, absurd Clockwork Orange-y stories that will make people tune in just to see the crazy of a dying show, then package those plus the 13 unaired episodes in a massive Dollhouse DVD boxset.

They should do that for SGU too. That way we can find out later that the SGU people are actually puppets that have been trapped inside a Furling's giant terrarium. #thegreenhornet
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Strick
11/13/09

@firstanointed: Then we should find out that both shows are really from the same universe and do a cross-over. #thegreenhornet
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spidyredneckjedi
11/13/09

@firstanointed: It wouldn't be thirteen unaired episodes, however, it would be more like six or seven.
Still, would be a cool and fun idea to see. Sort of like giving Fox the one finger salute. #thegreenhornet
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Chuck
11/13/09

@spidyredneckjedi: Entertainingly, it's been done before, and Fox was the playground that time, too...

Back in 1990, Fox aired a little dark comedy called "Good Grief" with Howie Mandel and Tom Poston. About mid-way through the initial thirteen episodes, they got word that they were canceled but that the rest of the first thirteen would air (not like Fox had much else at the time), and they went completely nuts with it.

By the time they finished, it was utterly hilarious, and a shame that it was going away..

I remain hopeful that maybe one day a DVD box set of this will show up. #thegreenhornet
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Lassus
11/13/09

In reply to More Exclusive Green Hornet Set Pics, Whedon Spills On Dollhouse's Final Episodes, And Fringe's Observers Revealed
"In the mid-season finale, "Justice," a crew member is found dead from a gunshot wound, and the gun is found in Colonel Young's quarters. Young will turn over command to Camille Wray. Meanwhile, Rush gains access to the Ancient interface, and a planet harbors a secret that threatens the Destiny"

I've repeated this whole thing for effect. What a fucking joke this series has become. #thegreenhornet
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TheOrtega
11/13/09

@Lassus: I kinda like the show but also agree with you; How many times can they "Almost" find a way home/Reapir the ships vital systems? I don't think the idea of the show can last as long as the other stargates. #thegreenhornet
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Lassus
11/13/09

@TheOrtega: I was talking to SOMEONE VERY IMPORTANT last night at the io9 get-together and they shared my opinion that the pilot was very exciting. And everything since has sucked, which is very sad. #thegreenhornet
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CmdrHunt (aka Clarence Colton)
11/13/09

@TheOrtega: Sounds like the first season of Star Trek Voyager. #thegreenhornet
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GreyHammer
11/13/09

@CmdrHunt (aka Clarence Colton): SG:U is like voyager had sex with BSG and teh child came out with severeeeeee downs. #thegreenhornet
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evildead1971
11/13/09

In reply to More Exclusive Green Hornet Set Pics, Whedon Spills On Dollhouse's Final Episodes, And Fringe's Observers Revealed
am i going crazier or does the morning spoiler pic change from hour to hour? #thegreenhornet
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ManchuCandidate
11/13/09

In reply to More Exclusive Green Hornet Set Pics, Whedon Spills On Dollhouse's Final Episodes, And Fringe's Observers Revealed
One would think if the Lizards traveled in FTL starships and backed up by super duper tech (and weapons) that they wouldn't need visas. The paperwork is mightier than the energy weapon. #thegreenhornet
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braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
11/13/09

@ManchuCandidate: They're trying to be polite. Not every awkward situation needs to be resolved by threatening to vaporize someone. #thegreenhornet
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ManchuCandidate
11/13/09

@braak:
True, but it does help expedite the paperwork. #thegreenhornet
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OW-Holmes:Bringer of Fear
11/13/09

@ManchuCandidate: Talk about a failure in bureaucracy. We make it harder for students to get Visas, but once a hot lizard alien shows up our doorstep we hand them the keys to the castle. #thegreenhornet
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CmdrHunt (aka Clarence Colton)
11/13/09

@OW-Holmes: Bringer of Fear: I suppose it's because we need more hot lizard women in the US. #thegreenhornet
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GodofMonkeys
11/13/09

In reply to More Exclusive Green Hornet Set Pics, Whedon Spills On Dollhouse's Final Episodes, And Fringe's Observers Revealed
I tried to watch a full SG: U episode. I really did. I don't get the appeal. *sigh*

I'm jazzed about more Observer action in "Fringe". The pic makes me think of a "Mad Men"/Observer crossover somehow. Heh. #thegreenhornet
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firstanointed
11/13/09

@GodofMonkeys: I watch SGU just to complain about how boring it is to my friends over MSN. That makes the show entertaining if just for the glee of ripping on it.

Loved that you said "jazzed". :D #thegreenhornet
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atrus123
11/13/09

@firstanointed: I've basically quit watching SGU, but I didn't actually mean to. Things come up, and while I (kinda) still like the show, I don't dig it enough to make it a priority. One of these days I'll probably binge the few episodes I've missed via Hulu.
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firstanointed
11/13/09

@atrus123: I watch almost all my shows via Hulu. Free digital TV isn't as hot as they said it would be. #thegreenhornet
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atrus123
11/13/09

@firstanointed: Same here. I have cable but it's not plugged into my TV. If there's a show I'm really into, I'll plug in the cable. Generally though, I just stream all my shows to my PS3 using a sweet piece of software called PlayOn. That way, I can watch what I want when I want it, and I don't risk that cable-surf addiction I'm prone to. #thegreenhornet
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icy_one
11/13/09

In reply to More Exclusive Green Hornet Set Pics, Whedon Spills On Dollhouse's Final Episodes, And Fringe's Observers Revealed
Odds on "Come to me, son of Jor-El! Kneel before Zod!" during Pandora?

On a less humorous note, Tom Welling really looks his age in the 4th picture. #thegreenhornet
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RandomFrequentFlierDent
11/13/09

In reply to More Exclusive Green Hornet Set Pics, Whedon Spills On Dollhouse's Final Episodes, And Fringe's Observers Revealed
I just can't care about anything that happens to the characters on SG:U (and I've really been trying). They're all so unlikable.

I'd totally love another SG-1 movie though.
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TemporalSword
11/13/09

@RandomFrequentFlierDent: Meh. I like Young and Eli, but that's about it. Still, it's not a bad show and I'll keep watching, I just wish SyFy would stop with their stupid "mid-season" finales and then wait 6 months to bring it back. #thegreenhornet
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skc15
11/13/09

@RandomFrequentFlierDent: I agree, sorta. The SG-1 movies have been delightful. I, too, have been finding the SG-U characters less than compelling, but I'm willing to give it time to pick up speed. #thegreenhornet
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atrus123
11/13/09

@RandomFrequentFlierDent: Love the SG-1 characters. Would love another movie there. I also like a few of the SGU characters, but they have virtually no chemistry right now. I've missed the last two episodes though, so maybe there's some chemistry by now. It shouldn't take that long though. #thegreenhornet
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RandomFrequentFlierDent
11/13/09

@atrus123: I've been wondering if my problem with SG:U is that I keep expecting the characters to live up to the love I have for all of SG-1 (including Vala and Mitchell but excluding Jonas Quinn). Thinking back though I remember instantly liking O'Neill and Carter. That just hasn't happen for me with anyone on SG:U so I don't think my high expectations are entirely to blame. And I loved to see another movie bringing the whole gang back together again. I just wish Don Davis (General Hammond) was still around.

@TemporalSword: I actually liked Eli at first and I thought I might end up liking Zoe. Since the first episode both have ended up annoying me to no end. I just don't know what to do about SG:U. Watching it has become a chore, but I don't want to ditch it only for it improve later and then I have to play catch up. #thegreenhornet
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GreyHammer
11/13/09

@RandomFrequentFlierDent: Zoe is the worst. when she got upset that her friend was dateing her boyfriend i thought to myself: "wait you're upset your friends are having a relationship when you up and disappeared, meanwhile you hopped into fly boy's pants at first opportunity?" and the fact that she strings eli along is also a sign of self absorbed pretty girl syndrome. i really cant have sympathy for her at all.
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Bill-Lee
10/08/09

In reply to What's Up, Doc? (Twenty of the Best Physicians in Science Fiction)
"The Doctor might be an Emergency Medical Hologram, but he's more than just a bit of hardware." That's because he's not hardware at all. The Emergency Medical Hologram is software stored on Voyager's hard drive. He can also be downloaded into a mobile hologram emitter from the 29th Century.
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Supernatural_Canary
10/01/09

In reply to God Is Our Space Pilot: Does Every SF Show Need Jesus Now?
I’m so happy to see a nuanced discussion of this topic here. Too often when the subject of religion in sci-fi is mentioned, an unchecked indignation rises up at the idea of religious themes cropping up in shows where science is the larger backdrop. Many times the point made by the indignant is that, because God is considered a myth, mention of a divine being has no place in science fiction. One thing to consider, however, is that while science can provide facts, it cannot provide meaning. And if there’s one thing man will yearn for long into the twilight of the human race, it is meaning.

What does get old for me, however, is that sci-fi shows seem to think that the only way for their characters to search for spiritual meaning is through the lens of the God of the Levant. There are so many vastly more interesting ways to approach the subject that I can’t help but roll my eyes in frustration when the only book that the characters turn to, out of the thousands and thousands of possible spiritual tracts available to reference, is the Bible.
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Wookie1972
10/04/09

@Supernatural_Canary:
My guess is twofold. 1) Most of the writers come from that background, whether or not they actually believe in it themselves. 2) It's very, very hard to come up with an alternate religion. Herbert came close, but he essentially made a (historically plausible) mashup of the existing religions.
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Klebert L. Hall
10/01/09

In reply to God Is Our Space Pilot: Does Every SF Show Need Jesus Now?
The answer's simple, really - BSG was overtly religious to the point of cramming it down your throat, and everybody fell all over themselves heaping excessive praise on it.

Hollywood isn't about originality, they're about formula. Everyone's just trying to copy the BSG formula.

"So consider this a plea for more thoughtful portrayals of religion in science fiction — and fewer random, thoughtless, kitchen-sink inclusions."

That would be nice; don't hold your breath.
-Kle.
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snarklenyc
10/01/09

@Klebert L. Hall: I just got into BSG (which is the best choice I have ever made). I'm only in the first season, but does the religious element serve a greater purpose or is it just philosophical dicta for the characters? Perhaps I have been over exposed to BSG copy-cats, but I'm hoping that it is not merely an attempt to doctor the inhuman aspects of science with an overly simplistic contrast to faith.
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Klebert L. Hall
10/02/09

@snarklenyc: I found the treatment in BSG to be awful, but the show certainly still has a lot of fans. The best thing to do is just watch it yourself and decide.
-Kle.
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