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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    10:21 PM

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    I'm thankful I'm not a parent to a teenage girl. Explaining why daddy thinks Twilight is reprehensible crap to a hormonal 13 year old would be too much hassle.
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    Image of txtphile txtphile
    09:59 PM

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    Gotta chime in with the SC2 love. After 47 years in development, and even if it's more like Daikatana 2, it will still delight. If only because the waiting is finally over...

    And yeah, the story, replete with space marines, an ancient, declining race of superscience and telepathic powers, and evil hive-mind insects, is somehow NOT tired and dull. Can't wait.
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    09:57 PM

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    I'll believe Starcraft II is "coming" when I see it on store shelves. After the Starcraft: Ghost fiasco, I'm not sure I can trust Blizzard to actually release it -- more than a decade after the original.
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    09:22 PM

    In reply to Where Are All The Space Pilgrims?
    One of the problems is that a lot of contemporary film and television writers seem compelled to make up for the racist notion of the "barbaric savage" by giving into the equally racist notion of the "noble savage". Both silly notions are equally dehumanizing, just in different ways. The first notion says that American Indians, for example, were brutish killers without any culture worth mentioning. The second would have us believe that the misunderstood "natives" were enlightened supermen living in perfect harmony with nature and in touch with sacred knowledge beyond the understanding of mere white men. The truth is that American Indians are just people with the same problems, concerns, and desires as the rest of us.
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    Image of Aidan_ Aidan_
    08:30 PM

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    Except for the stuff about Transformers (which I liked, and apparently that makes me some kind of geek heretic), I'm right there with ya.
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    Image of Anekanta - killed by a cacodemon Anekanta - killed by a cacodemon
    07:31 PM

    In reply to Where Are All The Space Pilgrims?
    The problem is that this type of story is the classic cautionary tale--warning us that we're really not nearly as enlightened or socially evolved as we like to think we are.

    The era of colonialism really wasn't that long ago, and really never ended in many ways. Arguably, economic globalization is mainly a continuation of the process. And whether or not you believe the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan were justified or even heroic attempts to create freedom... for some reason we still can't resist helping ourselves to their oil.

    So the point is: the same mindset that created colonialism is still alive and well in Western culture, and plenty of non-Western cultures, too.

    The only humans I can safely imagine coexisting with aliens are people from many of the same cultures that were almost entirely wiped out by colonialism.

    Many of these cultures were entirely uninterested in conquering anybody and would have been humanity's best ambassadors, had they not been conquered by less civilized societies.
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    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    07:24 PM

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    I enjoyed Transformers, Dark Knight, Star Trek, and District 9. Of all those films, I saw Star Trek and District 9 twice in the theaters. And I own Dark Knight on DVD and have seen it a few times. But, please don't tell anyone, I had a lot of fun at Transformers as well. I guess that just makes me a fucking idiot.

    For every finger pointing at a stupid sci-fi fan, there are three pointing back at a snob, and a thumb indicating the direction your nose should be pointing to.

    The sci-fi snobs are the reason that some of the more "cerebral" films never make it--because you're snobby about them too. You nitpick to increase your own sense of superiority, deliberately missing films that are smarter than TF2, and the entire genre suffers, because studios are convinced that fans won't support those films.

    Case in point: V getting four episodes. (I realize it's a t.v show--but you get my point.) I don't fault the "unwashed masses" for seeing Transformers. I fault the snobby, sci-fi elitists for making the projects they claim to love so difficult to get off the ground.

    Quit giving the rest of us a bad name. I would have liked to see another Watchmen type film. Thanks to you guys, it ain't gonna happen.

    This holiday season, I'm thankful that all the previously mentioned films were successful, because it shows that despite your best efforts, entertaining movies can still be successful. Some of the time, at least.
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    Edited by cylon_conspiracy at 11/26/09 7:37 PM cylon_conspiracy was starred cylon_conspiracy was unstarred
    Image of Fuji-kun Fuji-kun
    09:16 PM

    @cylon_conspiracy: i didn't like transformer cause it lasted 3 hours and was supposed to be an awesome movie. but it is not wrong to like it cause it is a really hard movie to make. to say it is bad is just a judgement, and i think it is wrong to say that. i just didn't like it, but not cause i am better than the movie's target or anything like that.
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    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    09:39 PM

    @Fuji-kun: I agree. I don't care if people hate Transformers. Say it's a stupid movie, that Bay is the spawn of the devil... that really doesn't bother me. But to insult every single person who saw that movie as being some moron who has questionable taste? That seems a little extreme to me.
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    Edited by cylon_conspiracy at 11/26/09 9:40 PM cylon_conspiracy was starred cylon_conspiracy was unstarred
    Image of Alasdair Wilkins Alasdair Wilkins
    10:22 PM

    @cylon_conspiracy: To be fair, that's not really what I said. I've got no issue with people liking Transformers, although I'll readily admit that I don't understand the appeal *at all.* (Even the trailer bored the hell out of me.) But whatever - that's just me, and I don't expect the world to share my tastes.

    All I was getting at is that the success of Transformers is not a good argument to suggest that moviegoing audiences are looking for smart, quality* films, while the success of films like The Dark Knight, Star Trek, and District 9 does tend to suggest that. There are plenty of valid reasons to have gone to see Transformers 2, most of them having to do with the "pure escapism" angle. I don't have any issue with that, and I don't criticize people for liking the movie. Life's way, way too short to go around hating everything, and I generally try to enjoy as much entertainment as I can.

    My entire (and admittedly very unscientific) point was just that the success of those three movies suggest there is a place for intelligent science fiction movies not only to survive, but to thrive. The success of the Transformers movies, which I think are generally agreed to be openly (even proudly) stupid movies, stands as a counter to that, and I felt I should address that. Although I suppose I could argue the generally lukewarm to negative word of mouth for Transformers 2 might support my claim that audiences are starting to expect more from their science fiction.

    *Yes, that's a really vague term to use.
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    Image of cylon_conspiracy cylon_conspiracy
    10:56 PM

    @Alasdair Wilkins: I appreciate the response. I've just sort of hit the boiling point with the anti-TF2 talk... more often than not, the criticism here (and pretty much all genre sites-not unique to io9) against the film always includes criticism against the audience. I haven't seen a genre film inspire so much absolute hatred since The Phantom Menace (seems to me they share a spot as the two most polarizing genre films in the last decade).

    As a genre fan, who actually enjoys a wide range of films, big-budget or low budget, I guess I get a little insulted when my "taste" is questioned just because I liked one movie. I'm a fan of creativity. TF2 was a trainwreck to a lot of folks, but to me it was a fascinating trainwreck (if that makes sense). I think it's been taken at face value, when in my opinion, it's actually a bit subversive, and in a good way.

    It was not the greatest film of all time, but it wasn't the worst either.

    But beyond that, there's just a sense of elitism in the fan community and for some reason, it just bugs me. Star Trek for instance... was that movie not bashed unmercifully ever since we got the first images of the cast on set? There's no consensus that it was a successful film from an artistic standpoint... lots of ST fans think it's just a bubblegum version of a show that raped the memory of Gene. JJ hate is pretty equal to Bay hate.

    And you can extend that to TDK and D9 as well.... some think TDK was one of the most overrated films ever, and some think D9 is just a hodgepodge made up of scenes of sci-fi classics it was ripping off. But one thing we have in common is we love this stuff in general... and we have more in common than not. I think fans forget that sometimes.

    So.... basically just letting off steam. Seems to me genre fans can sometimes be their worst enemies. Attack the show, not the viewer I guess is my main point.

    Take care.
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    Edited by cylon_conspiracy at 11/26/09 11:10 PM cylon_conspiracy was starred cylon_conspiracy was unstarred
    Image of Alasdair Wilkins Alasdair Wilkins
    07:08 PM

    In reply to Where Are All The Space Pilgrims?
    Just as an addendum to my post, because I suppose I didn't make this point clearly enough...

    I wouldn't argue for a story that's all about peaceful coexistence. I realize that that's boring. What I'd be interesting in seeing is a story where the immigrants come in peace, and then see how good intentions can go horribly awry. I still think there's dramatic heft there.
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    Image of capnrob capnrob
    07:03 PM

    In reply to Where Are All The Space Pilgrims?
    I'm pretty sure it's because peaceful coexistence is *pretty damn dull* in a story. The only - seriously, the *only* - peaceful coexistence story I can remember reading that worked as a story was Zenna Henderson's _The People: No Different Flesh_.

    I mean, seriously. Have you tried *reading* le Guin's _Always Coming Home_?
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    Image of octaslash octaslash
    06:56 PM

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    I'm sure it's FOX's fault for those Dollhouse episodes that were in "case-of-the-week" format, but that doesn't excuse the terrible writing.

    Thankfully, things picked up in the second half of the season.
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    Image of Lassus Lassus
    06:52 PM

    In reply to Where Are All The Space Pilgrims?
    Because we're not evolved enough yet to actually contemplate an existence without idiotic, debilitating conflict.

    And, sadly, I doubt any of us will live to see it. Hopefully, someone else will.
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    Image of PostMarque PostMarque
    06:47 PM

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    +5 Geek Cred

    redeemable for 3 intranet tub uncloggers
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    Image of Lassus Lassus
    06:40 PM

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    I'm thankful for that Castle clip! I had only seen the graveyard one before on io9, and as I'd sooner drink paint than watch another procedural I missed the awesomeness of the dialogue in this one. "Didn't you wear that one five years ago?" THANK YOU, ALASDAIR.

    I'm also thankful for the other Alastair, Reynolds - although I'd be more thankful if I didn't have to wait so long for a USA mass-market paperback of "House of Suns".

    I'm thankful for the animated film "9". It was too short, and not perfect, but still beautiful.

    I'm mostly thankful this year for being exposed to Iaiaiiaain Banks and the Culture universe, which I now am absolutely convinced I live in, and it makes me feel better and even more human.

    Lastly, I'm thankful for io9, for reminding me that the infinite is fun as well as wondrous.
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    Image of Anekanta - killed by a cacodemon Anekanta - killed by a cacodemon
    06:39 PM

    In reply to Where Are All The Space Pilgrims?
    Was I the only one who, on first seeing that initial image at the top of the story, thought the guy on the beach was the Burger King mascot?
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    Image of Mav Mav
    05:51 PM

    In reply to Six Things I'm Thankful For In Science Fiction
    I'm thankful Farscape finally got released at a decent price and in a box set and that the webisodes are close to (hopefully) being finalised.
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