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    Image of Dirk Anger Dirk Anger
    03:39 PM

    In reply to Where Are All The Space Pilgrims?
    Really? then what about Alien? they're so friendly they even mate with us as soon as they get a chance
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    Image of goldfarb goldfarb
    01:43 PM

    In reply to Where Are All The Space Pilgrims?
    the other comments make the basic points...peace in boring etc...

    cj cherryh's Foreigner series is probably a good example of the pilgrim idea...
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    Image of Allen_Richards Allen_Richards
    01:07 PM

    In reply to Where Are All The Space Pilgrims?
    --why aren't there any movies or TV shows where humans come in peace and try to coexist?

    Because art imitates life....

    Besides, who REALLY wants to watch us make peace with a bunch of noble space savages when we can either bilk them out of their land with some Neptunian beads, or just kill 'em for sport. ;)
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    Edited by Allen_Richards at 11/26/09 1:09 PM Allen_Richards was starred Allen_Richards was unstarred
    Image of Biku Biku
    01:24 PM

    @Allen_Richards: You beat me to the punch on both points, especially the second. "Because peaceful co-existence is BORING."
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    Dr Emilio Lizardo promoted this comment Biku was starred Biku was unstarred
    Image of The_Sporean_Bob The_Sporean_Bob
    01:32 PM

    @Allen_Richards: I dunno, you could make it interesting. One of the ways the Native Americans were taken down (besides disease and direct warfare with the Europeans) was through politics. Basically, two tribes would be at war, then the Europeans would come and support one side and that side would take down the other tribe, then the europeans would take out the one they sided with. It could get pretty interesting, and it would be something people like to watch anyway. Gossip Girl and all those shows are all about politics.
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    Allen_Richards promoted this comment The_Sporean_Bob was starred The_Sporean_Bob was unstarred
    Image of Dr Emilio Lizardo Dr Emilio Lizardo
    01:37 PM

    @Biku: You mean you don't want to see this:

    "Hi, we're from a planet far away. We call it earth. Mind if we set up a colony here on your planet and look around at all it's wonders?"

    "No, of course not. make yourselves at home. How about if some of us do the same on this 'earth' of yours?"

    "Hey, no problem. Go crazy. Knock yourselves out. Maybe we can trade, get rich and interbreed?"

    "Sure, sounds great. Glad we met."

    The End.

    I don't know about you, but I'm fascina.....zzzzzzzz.
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    Image of Allen_Richards Allen_Richards
    01:41 PM

    @The_Sporean_Bob: Okay, so instead of beads, we'll trade them Gossip Girl threesomes.... but then we'll actually have to put up with the vapid Gossip Girls....grrrrr....

    I'd much rather just watch Kevin Costner try to make peace with them until the rest of the whitemen come to follow divine providence and kill whatever isn't white and doesn't have a vagina....
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    Image of Allen_Richards Allen_Richards
    01:48 PM

    @Biku: If we've learned anything from DANCES WITH WOLVES, it's all fun and games until some redneck wipes his ass with the heroes hyperspace iPhone.... ;)

    Didn't CONTACT deal with the early steps towards peaceful co-existence? That might be the closest we've come. What makes it hard is the scope of such a production, at least in terms of film. A movie where we go to an alien world only to sit around and act chummy wouldn't exactly put asses in theater seats, and as Cameron has illustrated with his mega-production, you need to hedge your bets with surefire dramatic tension (ie. killing of the indigenous lifeforms).

    This is something easier to pull off in prose where not as much money is riding on the project.
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    Image of firstanointed firstanointed
    01:53 PM

    @Allen_Richards: This. *nod*

    Humanity is, in general, violent. And for stupid reasons, I might add. That's why in real life E.T's haven't visited us. We've frakked up not only members of our own race, but other species whenever we get the chance, whether accidentally or on purpose, whether on the sea or in the sky. Terran real estate didn't use to suck until we started bombing the crap out of everything and pumping toxic waste into the air. And all those elk carcasses couldn't be a good sign--Sarah Palin alone should be one big blinking "AVOID EARTH" sign to whatever extraterrestrials may be out there.

    Also, technological advancement only comes when there's some hapless species you can test it on. And THAT is why alien/human conflict in the movies is so much fun. :)

    Peace sucks and so do black holes. :P
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    Image of Daveinva Daveinva
    11/24/09

    In reply to Untold Adventures: The Complete History Of Tie-In Novels
    Somewhat surprised at the absence of one of the great tie-in novel series of all time: the Battletech books. VERY symbiotic, and canon to both the RPG and the computer games.
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    Image of Daveinva Daveinva
    11/24/09

    @Daveinva: Oh, also, another -tech: the Robotech novels, in particular the "Jack McKinney" ones.

    For some stupid reason, they were always very divisive among the fans, but I thought they were excellent, especially once they got to the Sentinels books (which were MUCH better IMO than Carl Macek's goofy story-sketch he had for that ill-fated series).
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    Image of it must be bunnies it must be bunnies
    11/24/09

    In reply to Discover Megan Fox's Transformers 3 Fate And Sawyer's New Job
    I wish that the writers for Star Trek would stop doing interviews and talking about writing and actually do some writing. Just a thought.
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    Image of Pants McCracky Pants McCracky
    11/24/09

    In reply to Thor Gets A New Vixen, Lost Gets Another Radical Costume Change, Doctor Who Gets Terminal
    Kat Dennings has extremely large breasts.

    Best Regards,
    Isaac Asimov
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    Image of phoghat phoghat
    11/24/09

    In reply to Thor Gets A New Vixen, Lost Gets Another Radical Costume Change, Doctor Who Gets Terminal
    That "little red car" is an original Mini, on of yhe most iconic British cars of all time.
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    Image of Davio Davio
    11/24/09

    In reply to Read Kirk's Unseen Appearance in Star Trek For Yourself
    I would have liked that, it was honestly very well written. Would have been nice!
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    Davio was starred Davio was unstarred
    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    11/24/09

    In reply to Read Kirk's Unseen Appearance in Star Trek For Yourself
    Having both Shatner and Nimoy would have been too much. I think they had to make a choice and they chose correctly. Spock was connected to the plot and Nero's needlessly complicated revenge, Kirk was not. The Shatner monologue would have seemed tacked on, especially the way it was written as a holographic projection. Spock Prime traveled back in time by accident, why would he have such a trinket with him?

    At the same time, maybe they should have had Shatner record the scene so they could have cut down on some of the grousing from his corner. At least he could say that yes they filmed a scene with him but cut it for time.
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    Image of Hunter2458 Hunter2458
    11/24/09

    @Bill-Lee: Actually, I think it's more of a memory from Spock Prime, missing his old friend.
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    Bill-Lee promoted this comment Hunter2458 was starred Hunter2458 was unstarred
    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    11/24/09

    @Hunter2458: I actually read the scene on TrekMovie.com which has more of it, including the description of Shatner-Kirk's words being delivered by a holographic Kirk emitted by a holo-emitter. [trekmovie.com]

    #calendar
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    Bill-Lee was starred Bill-Lee was unstarred
    Image of Hunter2458 Hunter2458
    11/24/09

    @Bill-Lee: Ah, well that's just sorta silly, but if it were how I thought it was it probably would've worked really well.

    #tips
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    Image of Demonbird Demonbird
    11/24/09

    In reply to Untold Adventures: The Complete History Of Tie-In Novels
    I personally think it is time for a Star Wars novel reboot, and that new writers should be given a try at the universe.

    The novels anymore are just
    "What can we take away from the main cast, without killing any original cast, to create more drama?"
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    Image of Burke Burke
    11/24/09

    @Demonbird: Ummm... they have killed original cast already.

    Still, other than the whole Killiks/Joiner debacle (those were painful to read), I've rather enjoyed the extension of the franchise in a logical path that the novels have taken since Zahn's original trilogy.

    The focus is getting more and more onto the next generation of characters, including Ben Skywlaker and Jaina Solo, plus a number of other characters introduced into the mix from various sources: Corran & Mirax Horn and their kids, Jag Fel, Chief of State Daala, etc
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    Demonbird promoted this comment Burke was starred Burke was unstarred
    Image of Demonbird Demonbird
    11/24/09

    @Burke:
    I've enjoyed them too, but there is definitely a lot that could be done if a newgroup was allowed to take a swing at the franchise.

    Also, Chewbacca was ultimately expendable, and is the only one to die out of all the books.

    Currently, Luke, Leia, and Han still have a very big role in the stories being told, despite their age, and if that's what people want, elt them do a reboot.

    Hell, even Boba Fett still gets notice.



    #speakup
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    Demonbird was starred Demonbird was unstarred
    Image of Xicer Xicer
    11/24/09

    @Demonbird: A reboot is highly unlikely. People have talked about this before and the general consensus has been against a reboot. People have spent too much time and money on the current universe that starting it all over would just make people very angry. Plus Del Rey doesn't seem to be thinking in that direction at all so it's not likely to happen.

    I would however like the focus to shift away from the movie characters. Del Rey keeps using the argument of '60 is the new 40' but that's just lazy IMO. However we are getting more standalones focusing on minor characters, like the upcoming novel Crosscurrent which takes place shortly after Legacy of the Force and focuses on Jaden Korr, a video game character and Jedi Knight of the younger generation.
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    Demonbird promoted this comment Xicer was starred Xicer was unstarred
    Image of Demonbird Demonbird
    11/24/09

    @Xicer:
    I have no idea what Del Ray is going to do after they advance the story another 10-15 years. Besides having at least two massive galactic conflicts during that time.

    #speakup
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    Image of Adam Whitehead Adam Whitehead
    11/25/09

    @Demonbird: The have nodded in this direction in the LEGACY comics, which I suspect they may start tying in the novels with. They moved the timeline 100 years further into the future and basically just said all the regular characters are now dead but not specified the circumstances under which they died, and the story just continues with new characters. It's as close as a reboot as you can get without doing an acutal remake (KNIGHTS OF THE OLD REPUBLIC does a similar thing in the earlier time period). But I believe Lucas has ruled out remakes of the original movies or anything like that.
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    Adam Whitehead was starred Adam Whitehead was unstarred
    Image of Demonbird Demonbird
    11/25/09

    @Adam Whitehead:
    It's far from the same, and as much a reboot as any of the standalone novels or comics were.

    Oh well. I've read most all of the books and comics, but I think it would be really itneresting to see a new group of authors take a stab at the series.

    #speakup
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    Demonbird was starred Demonbird was unstarred
    Image of Wookie1972 Wookie1972
    11/24/09

    In reply to Untold Adventures: The Complete History Of Tie-In Novels
    What I want to know is what's up with Sulu's porno stache?
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    Image of Wookie1972 Wookie1972
    11/24/09

    In reply to Untold Adventures: The Complete History Of Tie-In Novels
    Ah, the Brian Daley Han Solo books. A great, pulpy read.
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    Image of whormongr whormongr
    11/24/09

    @Wookie1972: the solo books are okay- the lando books ruled- vuffi raa is still one of my favorite characters in the star wars universe, plus lando was cool and all in empire/jedi but he is way cooler in the preceding and post jedi novels
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    Wookie1972 promoted this comment whormongr was starred whormongr was unstarred
    Image of Wookie1972 Wookie1972
    11/25/09

    @whormongr: I'll have to check them out, although are they even still in print?
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    Image of twophrasebark twophrasebark
    11/24/09

    In reply to Read Kirk's Unseen Appearance in Star Trek For Yourself
    And we STOP ON WILLIAM SHATNER. Pretending to be Chris Pine. The new crew looks confused.

    FEDERATION COMMANDANT
    Who are you?

    SHATNER
    It's me! Kirk. Give me the keys. We're going to the second to star to the right and straight on till morning.

    FEDERATION COMMANDANT
    You're not Kirk.

    Shatner headbutts Tyler Perry.

    SHATNER
    I don't believe in the no-win scenario.

    We cut to Chris Pine gagged and bound in a Starfleet bathroom making muffled noises. We again hear SABOTAGE and cut to the Enterprise warping away.
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    twophrasebark was starred twophrasebark was unstarred
    Image of twophrasebark twophrasebark
    11/24/09

    We cut to Spock Prime who is having a mochachino in the spacedock STARBUCKS. He is suddenly overcome by a feeling that his old friend has returned. He watches the Enterprise roar out of spacedock.

    SPOCK PRIME
    Close enough.
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    Image of cletar cletar
    11/24/09

    @twophrasebark:

    SPOCK PRIME turns around, and we see his face. He has a goatee.

    SPOCK PRIME laughs. Fade out.
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    Image of Smeagol92055 Smeagol92055
    11/24/09

    @twophrasebark: @cletar: BRILLIANT! BOTH OF YOU!
    Seriously, someone get these guys on the writing crew for the sequel.
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    Image of Lassus Lassus
    11/24/09

    In reply to Thor Gets A New Vixen, Lost Gets Another Radical Costume Change, Doctor Who Gets Terminal
    I know how sad we all are that Tennant will be no longer with us, but I'm a little confused about the big deal that the death of the Doctor plays in the Doctor's mind. Am I missing something from the can0n where regeneration makes you a different person entirely, not just the exact same consciousness in a different body?

    Mebbe someone could point me towards the wiki item that would explain why those in the universe of the Doctor would find the death so horrible when it simply is just an admitted re-start in a better car?
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    Image of ShadRS ShadRS
    11/24/09

    @Lassus: As I see it, a lot of the portents point not to the Doctor regenerating, but outright dying.
    "Your Song is ending." As in you
    "the Doctor" are done for, not just this incarnation, but you as a whole. From that view point, its definatly dire news to be feared.
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    bluehinter promoted this comment ShadRS was starred ShadRS was unstarred
    Image of bluehinter bluehinter
    11/24/09

    @ShadRS: Sadly, that point has never been made clear. I believe it's implied, but it's never made distinct whether the Doctor is afraid for his life, or that he'd grown particularly attached to this body and feels he has so much more to do before trading it in.

    Admittedly, he'll be on his 11th of 13 bodies, and with no Timelords around, the chances of him getting a new regeneration cycle are extremely slim. He's been blowing through them pretty quickly of late, and barely pushing 1000, while most Timelords his age are only on their 3rd or 4th (assuming the 1st Doctor regenerated of natural causes). That's the equivalent of one of us being told we're going to die at 30.
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    Edited by bluehinter at 11/24/09 8:48 AM bluehinter was starred bluehinter was unstarred
    Image of Lassus Lassus
    11/24/09

    @bluehinter: Well, now THIS makes sense. I had a vague idea regarding a limit to the regenerations (Although, the cycle can be renewed? Heh. I can't wait for THAT episode.) but I didn't really remember it exactly. This was really all I needed. One less life is one less life.
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    Image of whormongr whormongr
    11/24/09

    @bluehinter: yes, but there are hints that the 13 bodies are surpassable (supposedly the master found some way to do it), I am sure that unless popularity wains that they will work with that concept
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    Image of modernboy modernboy
    11/24/09

    In reply to Thor Gets A New Vixen, Lost Gets Another Radical Costume Change, Doctor Who Gets Terminal
    I think you'll find that while the Doctor Who set pics are from the first episode of the next series. It's not a two parter.

    I'll add that I want that tie.
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    Image of bluehinter bluehinter
    11/24/09

    @modernboy: There is some speculation (based on the length of the script, as well as the shooting of additional material originally cut for time) that the first episode may now be 60 minutes rather than the usual 45.

    I certainly hope this is the case, since Tennant got 60 minutes for his first story, and they've got twice as much set up and explaining to do with Smith. (plus it leaves more time to balance post-regeneration wackiness with an actual plot)
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    Edited by bluehinter at 11/24/09 9:00 AM bluehinter was starred bluehinter was unstarred
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