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Wow, when Punisher keeps on bombing at the box office, you'd think they wouldn't try to make any more.
Also, it looks like most of the comments in this post will be in reaction to Punisher's performance, rather than the fact that apparently Batman totally owns Spider-Man in top grossing franchise [but then again to be fair, he does have 2 more movies than Spider-Man... although I don't see the Adam West Batman Movie listed here...]
@W10002: Which is odd, because of all the superhero stories, you'd think The Punisher's would be the easiest to translate to the screen (basically just an action/revenge pic, no real superhero powers), and yet...and yet they've managed to screw it up THREE times? (although, I actually liked War Zone).
@tipsymongoose: Never say never, but if you look at as taking 20 years for Superheros to mature (Superman to X-men), and most video game movies started coming out in the 90's (I'm not counting 80's crapfests like Super Mario because that's not even trying, man), we have ten years to go...
Ok so logic dictates that solo Superheroes have become insanly popular! Er....I think thats what its trying to say!! Banner, Stark, Castle and wayne....they've all been solo flyers and that film revolves around 1 superhero. Yet when it comes to a school of lycra wearing teens....not so good!! But thens theres Watchmen. Great film......bad marketing. They market it like Batman (see trailer), yet it turns out to be a slow and steady downfall into the costumed heroes sick mind..rape scene and all. Not many people took to that! Watchmen is Marmite..hate it or love it!!
Also loving the giant Superman. And why does Spidey have a 'King Kong' complex!??
Edited by CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard) at 11/23/09 6:52 AM
CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard) was starred
CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard) was unstarred
@Biku: Yeah, make Executioner movies instead.
The problem was that the Punisher movies were advertised as Marvel/superhero movies. They aren't. They're Rambo clones.
Most of these movies suck. Broke the mold, maybe, but come on. Watchmen was terrible. So was Hancock. And My Super Ex-Girlfriend. And Incredible Hulk. And whatever you say to praise the Watchmen movie are things that only someone who's read the book could have gotten from the movie. That movie was a vapid, hollow, and moreover boring version of the book. It had absolutely nothing to say about morality or even the phenomenon of superheroes--to Zack Snyder, the heroes of that book are just cool-looking badasses who jump around in slo mo.
These films, for the most part, didn't really break any molds. They may be slightly different from other superhero films, but they're still well within the confines of manufactured Hollywood bullshit.
@Patrick Brown: Hey, I liked Watchmen (and I'm sorry you got too distracted by the fight scenes to see the quality storytelling underneath). And Incredible Hulk (sure you don't have that confused with Ang Lee's Hulk?)
Yes, please ignore origin movies like Batman Begins, Spider-Man, Superman The Movie and Iron Man because it's not like they were better THAN ALMOST EVERY MOVIE ON YOUR LIST OR ANTHING (The Incredibles may be the best superhero movie ever made)! And then there's the small matter that Darkman was an "origin" film, while X-Men and Blade, which weren't on your list, were not!
This is right up there with Top Ten Science Fiction Comedies as a completely lame list from IO9 where you violate your own conditions, not to mention logic and I'm beginning to think at the heart of it is some odd quest to make people like Mystery Men. This is IO9's version of "fetch" and it's not going to happen.
@NotArthurPDragon: I'm conflicted. You're making a rude comment that sort of misses the point of the article (unconventional superhero movie gimmicks) yet, you used one of my favorite Mean Girls references...
Charlie stated "almost every superhero movie follows a drab formula, walking us through the good guy's origin story"and every film on your list falls into that category. This list is about interesting ideas and concepts that other filmakers should take note of. It's not a "best superhero movies" list.
Yes, Buffy is most definitely a superhero and one who breaks the mold. The fact that the movie wasn't good shouldn't stop her being added. Consider your other choices.
@Rusty626: To my mind, Buffy is just another iteration of the fantasy hero, like Luke Skywalker or something. I just don't see her as a superhero somehow.
I do wish these superhero movies would ditch the huge 'origin' element.
In the comics the character usually had to have a few successful adventures before anyone pretended to care where they came from. I mean - cut to the chase!
The logic behind the obligatory 'origin' seems to be that audiences simply will not believe a man can climb a wall if we don;t see the 'bitten by spider' part.
Yet we are capable of watching star trek without seeing the invention of the di-lithium extraction process.
Audiences will be happy with a simple introductory sentence as long as the first scene involves explosions and some freaky powers.
No one cares how cheese-string man got his powers, only if he has a cool/brain twisting adventure
@unconvincingchatbot: Most people consider the origin stories to be the core of the superhero genre. It makes the superhero relateable and allows the audience to empathize with an otherwise silly story. A great story chronicles the journey of a person becoming a hero (or a villian). It's not done merely for the sake of practicality, but as a metaphor for a very external struggle. Peter Parker's origin story is about receiving power and displaying responsibility/restraint with it. How can we believe him as a person unless we see him struggle in the beginning? Star Trek, on the other hand, is truly a horse of a different color. The setting is something that can be told through the story and doesn't need a lot of technobabble explanation scenes for an audience to follow it. And, besides, the new Trek film was really an origin story anyway.
"the costume-maker woman is one of the greatest characters in animated movie history" Edna Mode was also voiced by Brad Bird which I think is pretty cool too!
@it must be bunnies: Nah, what made it really cool was that he only recorded the voice as filler until they could cast the final voice talent...and then they decided it was too cool to replace.
I'd love to see some movies that don't focus on the super-hero, but on the impact super-heroes have on the world and people around them.
Marvels as a movie would be (potentially) awesome. Not every comic book movie has to be filled from start to finish with punches and splodey stuff. A bit more humanity, with enough super effects stuff to keep people interested and sell tickets.
@Magicant: I like the idea of a comic/movie about the cops and the mayor who has to deal with the superheroes. Write about their struggle to deal with the super villains themselves or to bring in the calvary.
If you have not read them, you would likely enjoy the 'Gotham Central' graphic novels. They feature Gotham City cops--ordinary people--dealing with the utterly bizarre world of the superhero. Despite the superhero context, the plots, characters, and art are all naturalistic. It seems like this could be our world if our cops had to periodically tangle with superpowers.
'Powers' covers some of the same ground (it might have been first, I can't recall exactly), but I didn't like the art style has much. But still good and worth a read if you like the concept!
I've thought that 'Kingdom Come' would be a tremendously interesting film, mostly because the book features Superman facing a problem he cannot solve with his fists. From what few Superman stories I've seen and read, I've thought that he was at his most compelling when he had to make hard moral choices and have wondered if that would make a compelling movie.
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Also, it looks like most of the comments in this post will be in reaction to Punisher's performance, rather than the fact that apparently Batman totally owns Spider-Man in top grossing franchise [but then again to be fair, he does have 2 more movies than Spider-Man... although I don't see the Adam West Batman Movie listed here...]
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And yes, let's stay away from Punisher movies shall we?
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Also loving the giant Superman. And why does Spidey have a 'King Kong' complex!??
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It takes a special kind of suck to make Howard the Duck look good.
11/23/09
The problem was that the Punisher movies were advertised as Marvel/superhero movies. They aren't. They're Rambo clones.
11/23/09
Also...if you look close enough, you can see 'sense and sensibility' running right through Iron Man!!!!!!
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These films, for the most part, didn't really break any molds. They may be slightly different from other superhero films, but they're still well within the confines of manufactured Hollywood bullshit.
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This is right up there with Top Ten Science Fiction Comedies as a completely lame list from IO9 where you violate your own conditions, not to mention logic and I'm beginning to think at the heart of it is some odd quest to make people like Mystery Men. This is IO9's version of "fetch" and it's not going to happen.
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Charlie stated "almost every superhero movie follows a drab formula, walking us through the good guy's origin story"and every film on your list falls into that category. This list is about interesting ideas and concepts that other filmakers should take note of. It's not a "best superhero movies" list.
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In the comics the character usually had to have a few successful adventures before anyone pretended to care where they came from. I mean - cut to the chase!
The logic behind the obligatory 'origin' seems to be that audiences simply will not believe a man can climb a wall if we don;t see the 'bitten by spider' part.
Yet we are capable of watching star trek without seeing the invention of the di-lithium extraction process.
Audiences will be happy with a simple introductory sentence as long as the first scene involves explosions and some freaky powers.
No one cares how cheese-string man got his powers, only if he has a cool/brain twisting adventure
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Nah, what made it really cool was that he only recorded the voice as filler until they could cast the final voice talent...and then they decided it was too cool to replace.
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Marvels as a movie would be (potentially) awesome. Not every comic book movie has to be filled from start to finish with punches and splodey stuff. A bit more humanity, with enough super effects stuff to keep people interested and sell tickets.
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THat would be an interesting read.
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If you have not read them, you would likely enjoy the 'Gotham Central' graphic novels. They feature Gotham City cops--ordinary people--dealing with the utterly bizarre world of the superhero. Despite the superhero context, the plots, characters, and art are all naturalistic. It seems like this could be our world if our cops had to periodically tangle with superpowers.
'Powers' covers some of the same ground (it might have been first, I can't recall exactly), but I didn't like the art style has much. But still good and worth a read if you like the concept!
@Magicant:
I've thought that 'Kingdom Come' would be a tremendously interesting film, mostly because the book features Superman facing a problem he cannot solve with his fists. From what few Superman stories I've seen and read, I've thought that he was at his most compelling when he had to make hard moral choices and have wondered if that would make a compelling movie.
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Ever read Red Son?