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    Image of gigshaft gigshaft
    08:29 PM

    In reply to 10 Favorite Faux Deaths In Science Fiction
    I can't believe no one's mentioned Doctor Who. A franchise built entirely on the idea of the lead character's undeath. #startrek
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    Image of Discodave: R.O.A.C.H. M.O.T.E.L. Discodave: R.O.A.C.H. M.O.T.E.L.
    11:11 PM

    @gigshaft: In fairness, that's probably because he hasn't died yet - the regeneration has (almost) always been part of the canon, so it's not like he's apparently died as William Hartnell and then been reborn next season as Patrick Troughton.

    I see where you're coming from, but this is too much of a cheating death device to be included as a faux death one, imho. #startrek
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    Image of bookwench bookwench
    08:18 PM

    In reply to 10 Favorite Faux Deaths In Science Fiction
    Re-naming this thread "There's Something About Kenny" in honor of the most-dead cartoon character ever. Even if I hate the show, Kenny has the title. #startrek
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    08:15 PM

    In reply to 10 Favorite Faux Deaths In Science Fiction
    On the topic of resurrection, has anyone else been keeping track of how many times Sam and Dean die in Supernatural? I watched it once, then re-watched them with my husband (had to introduce him to the show because of the cars and music) and the second time through I almost fell out of my chair laughing every time a Winchester died. It's like a drinking game. #startrek
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    Image of Dr Emilio Lizardo Dr Emilio Lizardo
    08:11 PM

    In reply to 10 Favorite Faux Deaths In Science Fiction
    How about Jadzia Dax and her reincarnation as Ezri? Does that count? #startrek
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    Image of geesejuggler geesejuggler
    07:33 PM

    In reply to 10 Favorite Faux Deaths In Science Fiction
    I showed this article to my mom and sister, which then launched into this arguement on whether or not Spock actually died. This is, of course, after the long lecture from my mom on why time travel is implausible and sucks as a story line. Having a geek family is a two-edged sword.

    *Update: Does Deadpool and/or Anyone from Smallvile count?
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    Edited by geesejuggler at 11/08/09 7:36 PM geesejuggler was starred geesejuggler was unstarred
    Image of SJ_Edwards SJ_Edwards
    05:03 PM

    In reply to 10 Favorite Faux Deaths In Science Fiction
    Allison (Young) from Palmdale.
    Died: 2026
    Undied: altered future 2007-2026
    Cause of death: Trachea crushed after interrogation by Terminator Cameron, ostensibly for failure-to-cooperate in an attempt to kill 2026 John Connor.
    Does it count as death: "Apparently not".....

    Allison's failure-to-cooperate was a self-sacrificial attempt to save John Connor in 2026.
    Which may or may not have worked.
    Terminator Cameron was caught, whilst attempting to kill John, scrubbed and sent back to 1999 to find John and jump him forward to 2007.
    2007 John and Cameron caused the removal from Depot 37 of the Coltan that Terminator Cameron would have been built from, at Depot 37 in 2026, thus preventing Cameron from existing in 2026 and killing Allison. Thus establishing a future where Allison continues to live.
    Later John jumps from 2009 to this 2026.
    Thus establishing a future where no John Connor had existed since 2009 because he had jumped out of its past.
    So John and Allison then exist together again in an altered future 2026.

    Cameron's chipless endoskeleton is left back in this future's 2009 past, along with the physical Turk/John Henry AI (which may have merged with Cameron's chip either just prior to the jump or earlier when Cameron's chip briefly merged with the (Crom?)ARTIE traffic control network) and Sarah Connor.
    Cameron's chip (+AI?) is in Cromartie's endoskeleton along with Terminator Catherine Weaver in this future, with a live Kyle Reese and Uncle Derek Reese,
    who.....
    Died: 2009
    Undied: altered future 2009-2026
    Cause of death: "Bullet to the brainpan, squish."
    Does it count as death: Every death counts. #startrek
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    Image of Im_your_Huckleberry Im_your_Huckleberry
    05:11 PM

    @SJ_Edwards: Better take some Tylenol after all of that. Damn, my head hurts just reading all of that. #startrek
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    Image of SJ_Edwards SJ_Edwards
    05:19 PM

    @Im_your_Huckleberry: I did my best to shorten and simplify it :)
    I suspect that Season 3 of TSCC may have been more complicated...... #startrek
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    Image of Im_your_Huckleberry Im_your_Huckleberry
    05:30 PM

    @SJ_Edwards: Yea, most series hit their stride in their third season. Look at Heroes........wait...... crap, tried to keep a straight face. :)
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    Image of Dr Emilio Lizardo Dr Emilio Lizardo
    08:02 PM

    @SJ_Edwards: This is beautiful on so many levels. #startrek
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    Image of Smeagol92055 Smeagol92055
    08:36 PM

    @SJ_Edwards: Marry me. #startrek
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    Image of Jeremy Tapsell Jeremy Tapsell
    03:38 PM

    In reply to Is Thursday The New Friday?
    Oh, this article only applies to American/Stateside io9ers.... #fringe
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    Image of Wookie1972 Wookie1972
    03:21 PM

    In reply to 10 Favorite Faux Deaths In Science Fiction
    Oh, and what about the original oh-sh*t-he's-still-popular-so-I-have-to-bring-...: Sherlock Holmes? Not sci-fi at all, but still genre. #startrek
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    Image of Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H. Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
    07:24 PM

    @Wookie1972: The classic example, an influence on many of these. #startrek
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    Image of Smeagol92055 Smeagol92055
    08:38 PM

    @Wookie1972: I disagree. Sherlock Holmes was urban fantasy at the very least, which counts here at io9. #startrek
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    Image of Wookie1972 Wookie1972
    02:57 PM

    In reply to 10 Favorite Faux Deaths In Science Fiction
    Oh, and on the subject of Batman, what about Alfred? #startrek
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    Image of Wookie1972 Wookie1972
    02:51 PM

    In reply to 10 Favorite Faux Deaths In Science Fiction
    Um, wasn't the whole "Phoenix force was never really Jean Grey" Thing a big ol' Retcon in the first place? That was pretty much the moment I stopped caring about Marvel comics, especially since Jim Shooter was all sanctimonious about how Phoenix "had to die." #startrek
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    Image of Rocketknight Rocketknight
    02:43 PM

    In reply to 10 Favorite Faux Deaths In Science Fiction
    Every time I see shitty, ridiculous retcons that bring back characters, my desire to pay attention to the franchise starts to take a nosedive.

    For instance, I read on Wikipedia that Gwen Stacy dies in Ultimate Spider-Man, just like in the mainstream universe. Cool, right? I heard soon after that she was brought back. Now I have zero desire to read it past that point.

    I wish people would kill off their characters and leave them that way. DC and Marvel especially. #startrek
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    Image of Wookie1972 Wookie1972
    03:30 PM

    @Rocketknight: The trouble is that any given continuity can last, at beast, a few years. You can't have Peter Parker still haunted by the death of Gwen Stacy (or Uncle Ben, for that matter), when it in fact happened over 40 years ago. #startrek
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    Image of Rocketknight Rocketknight
    03:41 PM

    @Wookie1972: So don't have him haunted by the death for 40 years. Have him get the hell over it and show him enter a new phase in his life. Or better yet, finish up the character's story and move on to a new franchise!

    But that would be asking too much. #startrek
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    Image of TickMan TickMan
    10:05 PM

    @Rocketknight: Sadly. Superheroes are like the days of our lives. They go on forever. All my children seem to love Spiderman. #startrek
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    Image of Rocketknight Rocketknight
    10:21 PM

    @TickMan: Yes, I know. And the people responsible for that should be kicked in the groin until they pee blood. #startrek
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    Image of Lassus Lassus
    02:10 PM

    In reply to 10 Favorite Faux Deaths In Science Fiction
    I'd like to give the first book shout-out in this list to Bella Lind at the end of Pushing Ice by Alastair Reynolds.

    There's a quick revival technique established early in the book by an alien race, but Bella's takes about 20 years due to the severity of her injuries. She's not even fully her, making the revival actually somewhat logical. #startrek
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    Image of icelight icelight
    04:46 PM

    @Lassus: No, that doesn't count, because the entire ending to that book was utterly worthless. It was very much still in Reynolds "I couldn't write and ending of a story to save my life" phase. Fortunately he's doing better now. #startrek
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    Image of Lassus Lassus
    04:56 PM

    @icelight: Well, I completely disagree in regards to your opinion on the ending (also, that book in actually in the latter part of his output, not the earlier), but considering the dreck of things like the ret-cons this article exposes it would most certainly count. #startrek
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    Image of icelight icelight
    05:01 PM

    @Lassus: No, I know where it is in his bibliography. (Right in the middle, counting collections of short stories.) I either didn't like, or actively hated, the ending of anything before The Prefect. The first 90% of his novels are great, just not how he wraps them up. But that's just me, of course. #startrek
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    Image of Davio Davio
    02:07 PM

    In reply to 10 Favorite Faux Deaths In Science Fiction
    You could have made an equal list from the buffyverse. #startrek
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    Image of AmishJohn AmishJohn
    04:39 PM

    @Davio: And the Heroverse... #startrek
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    Image of Dr Emilio Lizardo Dr Emilio Lizardo
    08:05 PM

    @AmishJohn: Nobody ever really dies in Heroes. it's one of the biggest problems of the show. #startrek
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    Image of Log1c Log1c
    01:27 PM

    In reply to Is Thursday The New Friday?
    I watch Supernatural on Thursday instead of Fringe because I don't have a dvr and fox.com is far better than cwtv.com for streaming the show.

    Apparently that isn't enough to help the ratings though...

    I've stopped watching FlashForward because I realized I dislike all the characters and although the premise was cool they mucked around too much to keep me interested.
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    Image of BoomingEchoes BoomingEchoes
    05:38 PM

    @Log1c:

    See this is the problem I have too. I'm having to pick and choose which shows I want to watch not really on what channel, but on what website. Mostly because I'll be damned if I miss any show I love, no matter what day its on...

    CW's player, however, is DISMAL and I refuse to watch any thing on their website, lest they want me to not have a monitor to watch it on any more after I chuck mine through the wall because their player froze on me for the 20th time when coming back from one of their self promoting commercials.

    Basically my thursday nights consist of Bones, then Supernatual, then the Mentalist. Usually I watch Fringe and Heroes on Hulu, on Fridays because I'd rather watch Supernatural on TV rather on the crappy CW player, and because while I'll still watch heroes, its not good enough to cut into my House time.

    Tuesdays, Wednesdays however are for the most part a black hole where there's nothing else is really on.. I think they need to start looking into shifting some stuff around and see how that goes before they just end some really good shows..

    And.. I haven't even watched FlashFoward at all despite the fact that it SHOULD be something I'd love.. The thing is, all the excessive promotional hype crap we saw leading up to it was enough to turn me off to it.. I like hearing about a show, hearing the premise, and leaving it at that till it premieres.. SPECIALLY if the show is about enigmas wrapped in mysteries.. Fringe was hyped a lot but not nearly to the extent FlashForward was.. I just ended up hating the characters and the plot of FlashForward way before the show even hit the screen. #fringe
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    Image of Discodave: R.O.A.C.H. M.O.T.E.L. Discodave: R.O.A.C.H. M.O.T.E.L.
    01:26 PM

    In reply to 10 Favorite Faux Deaths In Science Fiction
    What about Whistler from Blade? Definitely, categorically dead (though offscreen) in the first, then appears as if by magic in the second. And let's not even go there with his having a daughter he never mentioned in the first two films... #startrek
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    Image of GreyHammer GreyHammer
    01:42 PM

    @Discodave: R.O.A.C.H. M.O.T.E.L.: they explained why he came back in the second tehy turned him into a vampire to spite him.

    also i think he wanted to keep his hot daughter away from blade. he was a closet racist.
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    Edited by GreyHammer at 11/08/09 1:43 PM GreyHammer was starred GreyHammer was unstarred
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