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    Image of firstanointed firstanointed
    12/21/09

    In reply to Avatar: Haven't We Seen This James Cameron Film Before?
    What's tragic to me is that all these fabulous people and MacGuffins recur everywhere but in real life. :(
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    Image of Cash907Censored Cash907Censored
    12/21/09

    In reply to Avatar: Haven't We Seen This James Cameron Film Before?
    Ok, lets break this down:

    1) Wrong Side of The Tracks Love
    Pretty sure Billy Shake-a-spear filed the original patent on this particular plot device, though the greeks pioneered it a thousand years earlier with any tale that involved the Gods and their mortal lovers.

    2) Power Loader
    Actually, they look a heck of a lot more like the Armored Personnel Units from the Matrix sequels then the Power Loader from Aliens, which themselves were more influenced by anime mecha then western cinema according to the brothers Wachowski.

    3) Breathing Masks
    Really? So was Cameron copying Leviathan and Deep Star Six, two underwater scifi flicks that came out before Abyss, that also featured full face breathing masks? The full face breathing mask is a scifi mainstay for the reasons you already listed, not a Cameron signature piece.

    4) Save Her From Her Destiny
    Was there any point in which Neytiri seemed unhappy about her future? She totally dug Tsu'Tey and was happy with her life before Jake came around, she just happened to be more into him as time went on. Yeah, Tsu'Tey wasn't exactly thrilled with how things worked out, but he didn't try to kill the both of them or even hold much of a grudge about it afterward.

    5) The Samson Versus Hunter Killer
    We already have a modern day version of the Sampson, it's called the V-22 Osprey. The US military has been experimenting with ducted fan VTOL craft since the late 40's, and the Sampson resembles several of those designs a lot more then the flying HK's from the Terminator franchise. I'm guessing James watches the History channel a lot more then you do Mer.

    6) Military BAD! Scientists Good!
    Cameron has a much bigger beef with corporations and corporate greed then the military. In the Terminator franchise, Cyberdyne was the enemy, not the military. In Aliens, it was military and one Ellen Ripley versus corrupt corporation guy. In Abyss, Nitrogen Narcosis was the villain, poor Biehn was just a pawn with a bad case of the bends. And finally, as Jake's opening VO points out in the first 5 minutes of the film, the soldiers on Pandora were much more corporate merc's then Marines, and he was pretty ashamed of that. Quarich himself was more PTSD victim them military overmind, and if Burke, woops I mean Parker, had been doing his job, he would have recognized this and rotated him back home years ago.
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    Image of Meredith Woerner Meredith Woerner
    12/21/09

    @Cash907Censored: but I'm just talking about Cameron not all the others. Just Cameron. That's why I said Cameron Movie. I'm not focused on other movies, there are no original ideas anywhere, this is about how he builds on himself leading up to his "opus"
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    Image of Akitsu Akitsu
    12/21/09

    @Meredith Woerner: Ahem... you forgot the cookie cutter My Two Dads corporate tool. ^_^

    As much as I want to link the Power Loader from Aliens, aside from it being a big user controlled robot there weren't any design similarities in the slightest. If anything, Cameron was stealing the Marauder suits from Starship Troopers... or more likely given his love of anime, Shirow's landmates from Appleseed.
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    Image of Cash907Censored Cash907Censored
    12/21/09

    @Meredith Woerner: Oh I totally got that, I'm just saying the reuse of themes here comes more from the fact he's making a scifi movie, and not that he's making a James Cameron scifi movie, which was your contention. Case in point, "Save her from her destiny," which I totally debunked above, came from the only non-scifi Cameron flick you referenced. You think it's Cameron, I think it's scifi, but I'm pretty sure we both agree the reuse of themes/plot devices was noticeable.
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    Image of Cash907Censored Cash907Censored
    12/21/09

    @Akitsu: Those landmates were awesome. I was thinking the mini-mobile suits from the Gundam universe myself.
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    Image of Akitsu Akitsu
    06:30 AM

    @Cash907Censored: Elementals... yeah, a bit similar. I keep waiting for someone to say Exo-Squad... heh. (Which would be funny as the designers admitted to copying Cameron's power loader for one)

    The landmates have a similar control system for the arms, although the cockpit is more in line with what you expect from a piece of military hardware. (The pilot is enclosed in metal with a display screen projected on the interior, his or her arms outside in enclosed control units very similar to the ones on film)
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    Image of Dirk Anger Dirk Anger
    12/21/09

    In reply to Avatar: Haven't We Seen This James Cameron Film Before?
    "In fact, you HATE aliens. KILL THEM ALL"

    What's more, in fact, that's not enough, you gotta nuke them from orbit, because it's the only way to be sure
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    Image of Barnabus Barnabus
    12/21/09

    @Dirk Anger: You can't make that kind of decision, you're just a grunt. No offense.
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    Image of Dirk Anger Dirk Anger
    12/21/09

    @Barnabus: None taken.
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    Image of LittleDragon LittleDragon
    12/21/09

    In reply to Avatar: Haven't We Seen This James Cameron Film Before?
    Two things I want to happen in my life time:
    1)invention of the walking fork lift
    2)discovery of large aliens
    Then I can get in my lifter and go around saying "Get away from her, you Bitch"
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    Image of Hamslicer Hamslicer
    12/21/09

    In reply to Avatar: Haven't We Seen This James Cameron Film Before?
    Well done.
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    Image of NightMystic NightMystic
    12/21/09

    In reply to Avatar: Haven't We Seen This James Cameron Film Before?
    I know you are using this article to point out the similarities between Cameron's films Meredith, but my question is do you see this becoming a problem if he sticks to familiarities in future films? In your opinion would his storylines start to become predictable?
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    Image of Meredith Woerner Meredith Woerner
    12/21/09

    @NightMystic: it's a little of both for each. I don't have a problem with the power loader, but the oppressive military and big business always screwing the little guy is very predictable.
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    Image of daveNYC daveNYC
    12/21/09

    @Meredith Woerner: You have to admit that any movie that showed big business helping out the little guy would really destroy the suspension of disbelief.
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    Image of GreyHammer GreyHammer
    12/21/09

    In reply to Avatar: Haven't We Seen This James Cameron Film Before?
    the movie is a conglomeration of rip offs with a shiny cgi exterior. maybe someone will come along and make an actual movie using this technology.
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    12/21/09

    In reply to Avatar: Haven't We Seen This James Cameron Film Before?
    Is James Cameron not allowed to have motifs in his body of work? Is he held to some other standard than all other artists and filmmakers who have ever lived?
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    Image of Meredith Woerner Meredith Woerner
    12/21/09

    @Bill-Lee: guess that's why I called them "Cameron references and influences". And I didn't say it was a bad thing? I just said they were everywhere. You implied that it was negative. I'm just pointing it out.
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    Edited by Meredith Woerner at 12/21/09 1:16 PM Meredith Woerner was starred Meredith Woerner was unstarred
    Image of SJ_Edwards SJ_Edwards
    12/18/09

    In reply to James Cameron Sold The Terminator Movie Rights For $1
    ... am I reading too much into Jim's (*gets punched*), ahem, James's (*gets punched again*), Mr. Cameron's (*ducks*) comment in the MTV 'interview'?:

    "Now it's been a TV show, and two films since, and trying to go back and reshape it like that stuff didn't exist doesn't make sense."

    Did Mister Cameron, Sir, just subtext:

    "I saw TSCC"
    "TSCC was good"
    "TSCC 'owned' the Terminator timeline"

    "I saw T3 and Salvation"
    "They were not good"
    "Forget that timeline"

    ... and in the Toronto Sun 'interview':

    "BTW, and FYI ... I'm not bidding, Schwarzenegger's not bidding, and this 'franchise' is now worth a dollar ...

    ... and fifty cents"
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    Image of twophrasebark twophrasebark
    12/17/09

    In reply to Terminator Vs. Grizzly Bear: Who Wins? And Can Khan Come Back?
    "Okay, it's gratuitous, but how can I resist having a grizzly bear fight a Terminator?"

    GRIZZLY BEAR: Grrrrr!

    TERMINATOR: [fires machine guns]

    Grizzly bear drops to ground with a thud.
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    Image of Bootknife-Jackson Bootknife-Jackson
    12/17/09

    In reply to James Cameron Sold The Terminator Movie Rights For $1
    I sort of like the idea that James Cameron sits around fantasizing about twittering backwards in time.

    from a submarine at the bottom of the world, whilst looking onto the wreckage of the Titanic and drawing a picture of a nude Leonardo Dicaprio as he weeps silently...
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    Image of twophrasebark twophrasebark
    12/17/09

    "I sort of like the idea that James Cameron sits around fantasizing about twittering backwards in time."

    LOL
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    Image of Vexxarr Vexxarr
    12/18/09

    @Bootknife-Jackson: Wow. OK. I'm wide awake now...thanks.
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    Image of Bootknife-Jackson Bootknife-Jackson
    12/18/09

    @Vexxarr: i do what i can
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    Image of Vexxarr Vexxarr
    12/18/09

    @Bootknife-Jackson: *rocking back and forth in a corner* James Cameron won't eat me...James Cameron won't eat me... James Cameron won't eat me... James Cameron won't eat me... James Cameron won't eat me... James Cameron won't eat me... James Cameron won't eat me... James Cameron won't eat me... James Cameron won't eat me... James Cameron won't eat me... James Cameron won't eat me... *deep inhale*James Cameron won't eat me... James Cameron won't eat me... James Cameron won't eat me... James Cameron won't eat me... James Cameron won't eat me... James Cameron won't eat me...
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    Image of Bootknife-Jackson Bootknife-Jackson
    12/19/09

    @Vexxarr:
    no, but the Titanic will!

    "This summer, fear RISES!"

    ::the Titanic explodes out of the ocean and into the theater through his NEWER NEW 3D technology that involves actually swinging a life-size Titanic model from a crane, through the movie screen, flattening the audience::

    "TITANIC 2! Titanic's Revenge!"

    "From the director of Piranha 2!"
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    Image of cletar cletar
    12/17/09

    In reply to James Cameron Sold The Terminator Movie Rights For $1
    If I could send a message back in time to myself, it would be "offer Cameron FIVE dollars." Then we'd all be spared Terminator Salvation. And Terminator III, for that matter.
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    Image of Bootknife-Jackson Bootknife-Jackson
    12/17/09

    @cletar: instead, would you give us Terminator: Termaggedon!
    ?
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    Image of phoghat phoghat
    12/18/09

    @Bootknife-Jackson:
    Or Terminator: Terducken.
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    Image of Bootknife-Jackson Bootknife-Jackson
    12/18/09

    @phoghat: or Termapocalypse THAN!

    (...you know, cus it's about time travel...)
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    Image of Quilt Quilt
    12/18/09

    @Bootknife-Jackson: Terminator: The Teckoning.
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    Image of Selcouth14: + 28 Selcouth14: + 28
    12/18/09

    @Bootknife-Jackson: Then. Termapocalypse then. But awesome nonetheless.
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    Image of Bootknife-Jackson Bootknife-Jackson
    12/19/09

    @Selcouth14: + 28: Bah! right you are.
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    Image of SJ_Edwards SJ_Edwards
    12/19/09

    @Bootknife-Jackson:
    Tech-Apoc, it's Terminator-o-clock!
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    Edited by SJ_Edwards at 12/19/09 2:36 AM SJ_Edwards was starred SJ_Edwards was unstarred
    Image of Bootknife-Jackson Bootknife-Jackson
    12/19/09

    @SJ_Edwards: Terminator: Tek War!
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    12/17/09

    In reply to Terminator Vs. Grizzly Bear: Who Wins? And Can Khan Come Back?
    Khaaan! Should come back but only if portrayed by the custom Mego action figure from Robot Chicken.
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    Image of Moff Moff
    12/17/09

    In reply to James Cameron Sold The Terminator Movie Rights For $1
    I'LL BE BUCK.
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    Image of ManchuCandidate ManchuCandidate
    12/17/09

    @Moff:
    Ha

    "I'll buy that for a dollar!"
     Reply
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    Image of SJ_Edwards SJ_Edwards
    12/18/09

    @Moff: Hasta la vista, maybe.
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    Image of CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard) CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard)
    12/17/09

    In reply to James Cameron Sold The Terminator Movie Rights For $1
    Terminator Salvation was good. It wasnt great but it was good. Loved the throwbacks to the old films and I dont mind Worthington.

    It seems to me Cameron hasnt gone back on his word about his feelings for the film, he's just slightly more reserved and possibly bitter about selling the rights so long ago for so little money. But I suppose its not much to dwell on when youve had the massive hit of Titanic and the innevitable onslaught of Avatar!

    Cheer up Mr Cameron, the further away from Terminator you are..the further away from Linda Hamilton you are too. And we all know how that ended!!!!! Just concentrate on films and dont sweat the small stuff.
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    Image of sonicsurge sonicsurge
    12/17/09

    @CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard): What ever did happen to Linda Hamilton? Did she just fall into obscurity?

    *Searches Wikipedia*

    OH SWEET JESUS. Time has not treated her well.
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    CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard) promoted this comment sonicsurge was starred sonicsurge was unstarred
    Image of oriencor oriencor
    12/18/09

    @sonicsurge: Well, after she got half of everything from Cameron, she started getting treated for bipolar disorder 2.. from what I recall, she's a spokes person (I think) does a lot of talking about it to help other people get treatment and to take away the stigmata of having a mental illness.
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    SPni promoted this comment oriencor was starred oriencor was unstarred
    Image of phoghat phoghat
    12/18/09

    @sonicsurge:
    J H CHRIST! I'm 62 and seeing a woman who's 51 and if Hamilton's 53, WTF has she done to her face?
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    Image of sonicsurge sonicsurge
    12/18/09

    @oriencor: ...Did you just say "the stigmata of having a mental illness"? <_<...
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