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bruzie
01/23/09

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Not that anyone else will read this, but in the gas station (big and tall dog t-shirts) the background music is "The Dream Police" by Cheap Trick. This is right after his encounter with Anna Lucia. Nice.
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EBone
01/23/09

@bruzie: I noticed it as well. Loved it.
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Purple Dave
01/23/09

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So here are my whacked-out observations/theories:

1. Jacob built the cabin, and then he died. Now he inhabits the cabin and tells The Leader what to do. Christian is also dead, inhabits the cabin, and tells people what to do (not just The Leader, though, as he appeared to Michael, who had never met him before). Locke was told by Alpert that in order to fix things, he would have to die. Separately, he was told that now that the bullet was out, the Island would take care of everything else. Either Locke is going to end up being resurrected by having everyone return to the Island, or Locke is going to be moving into Jacob's cabin.

2. The white-haired lady will turn out to be Faraday's mother.

2b. Desmond going to meet Faraday's mother will somehow be tied to the fact that she recognized him before and _knew_ that he didn't belong there.
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clari0n
01/23/09

@Purple Dave: Just a quick thought on Alpert telling Locke that the island would take care of everything else. I think he just meant that the island would heal the wound quick enough, as we've already seen that the island has miraculous healing properties.
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Purple Dave
01/23/09

@clari0n:
Hence the possibility that Locke might be resurrected once everyone returns to the island (resurrection = ultimate form of healing). If he's not, he's cabin-bound for sure.
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ecce
01/23/09

@Purple Dave: As soon as Daniel said his mother in Oxford... I thought of her as well. But if she is his mother, then when Des shows up in Oxford she will be a no show as she is in LA with Ben.
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Purple Dave
01/23/09

@ecce:
Ah, but is she? Ben jumped forward in time several years (to present-day, I believe), while Desmond left the island only a month or three after 815 crashed. There's plenty of time in between for him to have found Mrs. Faraday before she had to go to SoCal. I mean, there was at least one scene that flashed backwards to a point where the O6 hadn't even split up yet (they were discussing their story on Penny's boat), so it's not out of the question that Desmond's dream could be out of synch with the whole regrouping thing.

Alternately, he might just end up being put in touch with her, rather than meeting her face-to-face.
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spiritkittykat
01/22/09

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This episode was pretty good (I should say, these episodes). It had Hurley and Desmond, both of which I like.

I'm thinking those people who want to cut off Juliet's hand are some Black Rock people or Rousseaus people. I still think Rousseau had something to do with the Black Rock. And I want to know why her husband and the others in her group "got sick". I know that we get some info on her later in the season, or so I heard.
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EBone
01/22/09

@spiritkittykat: Rousseau's party got sick the same way Charlotte is getting sick, and Desmond started to last season. Time travel without a constant sickness. My guess is Rousseau was spared because her constant was her baby Alex which was stolen from her.
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twophrasebark
01/22/09

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"why isn't anybody but Charlotte suffering a nosebleed?"

I think Charlotte is now on the island twice. As a baby and an adult. This is probably not good for your health. Look in Daniel's notebook under "Time No-No's"
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Alexander Fulks
01/22/09

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Didn't the guy in the asylum who gave Hurley the numbers get them from an Aussie soldier? I think its the same guy who was leading the troop that was about to cut off Juliet's arm and who you all think is Widmore now.
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
01/22/09

@Alexander Fulks: Ahhh!!! Very interesting, you may have something, and I'm not married to my widmore theory.
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Ed Grabianowski
01/22/09

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Ok, time for Ed's big Lost theory of Season 5. Ready?

Charles Widmore was on the Black Rock. Somehow, they found the island, and he discovered the energy source (thus building the frozen donkey wheel). Remember when Ben turned the wheel to move the island, and said whoever did so could never come back? Apparently Widmore moved the wheel way back then, and traveled to the future. He can't go back to the island, but he's been trying to find it and sending people to secure it so he can exploit it ever since.
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
01/22/09

@Ed Grabianowski: So you're with me that Jones is Widmore? Nice.

I still think the islanders are gods for the record.
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icy_one
01/22/09

@Grrsn Dn: Certainly not gods in the traditional sense (omnipotent, omniscient).
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
01/22/09

@icy_one: Actually more gods in the tradition traditional sense, like Thor, Ra etc etc. "American Gods" style if you have read that.
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
01/22/09

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I wonder if "Jones" the military guy with the clearly thick accent at the end of the episode is a young Widmore. Perhaps he was there once and that is where his fascination with the island began.

All in all, friggin great episode.
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
01/22/09

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Yeah, the military guys with the older rifles weren't the same people with the arrows. The arrow-shooters were probably the natives, or people of Black Rock-era. The fatigue and WWII(?) rifle guys were from a later time, maybe pre-Dharma.

I've started calling that rock face that "Candle" got called out to see "the source of the wibbly wobbly timey wimey energy". Obviously poor Daniel gets stuck back in the 70's at some point.

Charlotte has the Impending Nosebleed of Time-Travel Death, obvs, like we've seen before, and like we saw in the guy at the rock face.

Highlights were all the Hurley scenes -- wonderfully written and acted -- and Rose's smackdowns of Frogurt.

And of course, the gratuitously shirtless Sawyer.
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njudah
01/22/09

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This was a great 2 part episode, I dont' care what the haters say. If you pay attention, it makes a lot of sense.

I think the paramilitary guys were Widmore's men from the past (hence the old weapons and their accents). I don't think they were the ones shooting the arrows.

There were some awesome moments. My favorite? oh hard to pick but I sure did like seeing that annoying Sh*t neal frogurt get it in the chest multiple times with flaming arrows. EPIC WIN.
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Ghost_in_the_Machine
01/22/09

@njudah: I almost jumped up and cheered when Annoying Redshirt Whiner caught the flaming arrows in the chest.
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txtphile
01/22/09

@Ghost_in_the_Machine

People who forget their history are doomed to die horribly.
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Ghost_in_the_Machine
01/22/09

@txtphile: At least the science teacher had useful knowledge/skill and was trying to help in a Rodney McKay way. Neal the Redshirt was just annoying.
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NerD: Blattella
01/22/09

@txtphile: Thank you so much for this, I loved this scene so much, although I was sorry he had to die.
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txtphile
01/22/09

@Ghost_in_the_Machine: Which made it all the more certain Frogurt was doomed to a comical death. I thought he would get it earlier in the show, actually. Only main characters are allowed to criticize a Plan, everyone else gets dead.

@NerD!!!: My pleasure. I _knew_ I would see that guy blow-up again, almost like a new memory of the past I sent myself from the future. Or something.
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Keen314
01/22/09

@txtphile: Here, I have your compass. We'll meet in the future.
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salthegeek
01/22/09

@Keen314:

i loved that he was wearing a redshirt

when i first saw that i knew he was getting offed
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Purple Dave
01/23/09

@salthegeek:
Sounds like a piss-poor Captain, to me.
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giant_turtle
01/22/09

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Charlotte is having nosebleeds because she's Ben's mother/best friend.

I said it.
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icy_one
01/22/09

@giant_turtle: She's most certainly not Ben's mother (we've met her). Could possibly be Charlotte, but that would be a terrible reveal as Annie did not have an accent to my recollection, whereas Charlotte has an incredibly strong one.
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Austenw
01/22/09

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Something that occurred to me when I saw the Candle baby... Is there a chance that that baby is Miles?
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NerD: Blattella
01/22/09

@Austenw: Was it obvious if it was a boy or a girl?

I was wondering if it might have been Charlotte.
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violettefay
01/22/09

@Austenw: That was my thought, too. Charlotte is def not asian enough to be their kid.
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icy_one
01/22/09

@NerD!!!: In the Dharma booth video, the baby is referred to as a "he"
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
01/22/09

@Austenw: Is Miles old enough?
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franklinshepard
01/22/09

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But we know that babies were born on the Island at some point. Ben told Locke that he was born on the Island. Or did this turn out to be a lie somewhere and I missed it?
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icy_one
01/22/09

@franklinshepard: Ben was born outside Portland, and most definitely not on the island.
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Plague
01/22/09

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The first episode kicked my ass in the past, present and future.

It's so nice to see a show know where it is going.
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whiplashchick
01/22/09

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When Locke got shot (this episode), was that the same place he had a "dead leg" relapse back when he and Boone were looking for the Yemi's plane? He was shot (tonight) before he and Boone found the plane (back in season 1), so am I making connections that aren't really there?
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icy_one
01/22/09

@whiplashchick: I will forever refer to that man as "the Yemi" now.

Locke's dead legs I think were a matter of faith and not some kind of future/past connection. The place where Locke was sitting when Richard arrived was basically where Boone and the plane fell, whereas Locke started losing motor control in his legs at least 50 ft before that.
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putch
01/22/09

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there are countless plot holes that i'm willing to overlook. but there's a major one that just doesnt sit right with me. i really really don't get why the O6 are lying. their logic just makes no sense. widmore knows the island exists. he knew where it was. he, presumably, knows it's no longer there. lying about the island doesn't hinder widmore in any way. in fact, by keeping it secret it probably only helps widmore continue the search.

i just don't get the decision. and i especially don't understand jack's complete 180-turnaround in about 10 seconds at the end of season 4.
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icy_one
01/22/09

@putch: The lie serves three purposes: First, the general public would never believe them. If they were believed, it's just like Ben said, people would be chomping at the bit to find this magic island.

Second, you've made the assumption that Widmore staged the fake wreckage of Flight 815. If Widmore staged the wreckage, he knows that 815 made it to the island, and he knows the lie is a lie. It doesn't hurt or help him. If Widmore did not stage the wreckage, then he has no idea the Losties were there until Sun tells him, at which point he must also keep the lie because he wouldn't want competition.

Last, remember that Keamy's orders were to extract Ben Linus and kill everyone else on the island. If Widmore finds out the island is still accessible, he'll just send someone else to finish the job.
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putch
01/22/09

@icy_one: I'm not saying lying doesn't make sense. I'm saying their reasons for lying don't make sense.

you make my argument in your 2nd point: "If Widmore staged the wreckage, he knows that 815 made it to the island, and he knows the lie is a lie. It doesn't hurt or help him. If Widmore did not stage the wreckage, then he has no idea the Losties were there until Sun tells him, at which point he must also keep the lie because he wouldn't want competition."

but the things is there is no doubt in the minds of the O6 that widmore faked an 815 crash. that is their EXPLICIT reason for lying (well that plus the mercs, but they go hand-in-hand). therefore, lying about the crash wouldn't hinder widmore in any way. and, back to your first point, if other people knew about the island there would be some competition and that would likely make it HARDER for widmore to find the island.

it just seems like a half assed thing the writers threw together at the last minute to allow some of the top billed cast to not be on location 24/7
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icy_one
01/22/09

@putch: They don't want anyone to find the Island because their fellow Losties are there. I think Jack's change of heart was something along the lines of "people are willing to kill to control this place, therefore no one should be allowed to find it."
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