@Starwatcher: The Road by Cormac McCarthy. Maybe it was a translation error because I got a translation, but they saw somebody who had several kids chained, and they were referred to as a weird word I had to look in a dictionary which said it which meant that.
@Starwatcher: @topdolla825:
no translation error:
"slaves in harness and piled with goods of war and after that the women, perhaps a dozen in number, some of them pregnant, and lastly a supplementary consort of catamites illclothed against the cold and fitted in dogcollars and yoked each to each. All passed on. They lay listening."
"A catamite is the younger, passive (anal recipient) partner in a pederastic relationship between a man and a boy, which was a popular arrangement in many areas of the ancient world."
@topdolla825: A catamite is the younger, passive (anal recipient) partner in a pederastic relationship between a man and a boy, which was a popular arrangement in many areas of the ancient world.
@Dirk Anger: Ah, okay. Yeah, I know what a catamite is but somehow that escaped me. Well, I stand corrected. But I don't think it'll be a problem on screen--even if they depict the kids in chains the idea that they might be sex slaves will probably escape most people.
@phoghat: Well, I'm glad he was there to do the slapping, then. That one line is the the heart of the book. I'm with omgwtflolbbqbye at being somewhat flabbergasted that they would attempt to remove it.
I read the book. Alas, Mrs. Overclock (etc.), who has not, has informed me in no uncertain terms that she has no interest in seeing this movie on the big screen or later at home as a rental.
Sounds like I'll have to recruit some local IO9ers with whom to go see it. #theroad
@stereobot: I'm guessing that you haven't even read the book yet. Do yourself a favor, read the book before you even contemplate seeing the movie. #theroad
Dawn of the Dead, especially considering the original ending, was also quite heartbreaking - the characters finally realizing the futility of even trying to survive. Roger's tearful insistence that he's going to try his best not to come back stands out - both because he fears what he will become and because he knows Peter will have to shoot him. Same with Stephen.
The Shining also has that brutal moment that toys with hope - Dick makes the difficult journey from Florida to the Overlook and there's the brief second when you think Wendy and Danny are saved, which is all quickly dispatched with an axe. #heartbreakinghorror
Great Article! I saw the film "Ginger Snaps" on IFC last night about two sisters where the older sister is slowly changing into a werewolf. The younger sister tries in vain to find a cure for her older sister. At the end, the younger sister killed the older sister who had transformed into a werewolf by then. I wanted to cry.
I also watched Shaun of the Dead on DVD yesterday and I cried when Shaun has to kill his mom after she was transformed into a zombie. His stepfather had already transformed. That scene gets me everytime.
The Shining was one of the scariest films I have ever seen.
The best horror I've seen for a loooong while was Martyrs. By the end, everything is so hopeless and terrifying that the images have embedded themselves in my brain. Its horrific in just about every sense of the word. #heartbreakinghorror
I think to have a true understanding of the horror genre one really needs to study Greek tragedy. They understood the implicit relationship that comedy and horror have in the tragic form (that's what the intertwined symbol of the dramedy masks are all about, after all) and how the overall fickleness of one's destiny can both be absurd and horrific all at the same time.
As Jean Cocteau put it:
"Tragedy is clean, it is restful, it is flawless. It has nothing to do with melodrama -- with wicked villains, persecuted maidens, avengers, sudden revelations and eleventh-hour repentances. Death, in a melodrama, is really horrible because it is never inevitable. The dear old father might so easily have been saved; the honest young man might so easily have brought in the police five minutes earlier.
In a tragedy, nothing is in doubt and everyone's destiny is known. That makes for tranquility. There is a sort of fellow-feeling among characters in a tragedy: he who kills is as innocent as he who gets killed: it's all a matter of what part you are playing. Tragedy is restful; and the reason is that hope, that foul deceitful thing, has no part in it. There isn't any hope. You're trapped. The whole sky has fallen on you, and all you can do about it is shout. Don't mistake me: I said 'shout': I did not say groan, whimper, complain. That, you cannot do. But you can shout aloud; you can get at all those things said that you never dared say--or never even knew till then. And you don't say these things because it will do any good to say them: you know better than that. You say them for their own sake; you say them because you learn a lot from them."
I'd be remiss if I didn't mention David Cronenberg's the Fly. And am kind of shocked it wasn't mentioned under the "When your loved ones turns monstrous"... I think if you took out the whole turning into a fly aspect of the film, the act of watching your loved one die of a horrible disease and then the fear of that disease transfering to your baby...
It's really a crushing film, emotionally. Plus it has vomit that eats peoples hands off. #heartbreakinghorror
@dicksson: The original version of The Fly is terribly heartrending. I cried my eyes out at the end. Truly a tragedy, rather than a horror, but altogether a great film. #heartbreakinghorror
@dicksson: I thought District 9 played this angle pretty well too. The scenes where he is beginning to realize he will never be able to see his wife again because he is becoming a monster were pretty horrifying to try to empathize with. #heartbreakinghorror
Thank you for articulating one of the reasons I love classic horror from the 30's and 40's so much and one of the weakest points where the trajectory of modern horror aborts itself.
In those classic horrors, the drama derived from the idea of a universe so frightfully full of meaning, where a very real battle between very real Good and Evil was going on, that the fate of each soul was of the most paramount importance. What happens to Mina, Frank Stanley, Larry Talbot, the Frankenstein Monster and the little girl he accidentally kills is really, really important. People are important.
In modern horror, we get the opposite senario, where the drama is supposed to be derived from the idea of a universe so frightfully devoid of meaning, where we're all just meatbags, that all that is left is the bittersweet curse of survival. But even the best examples of that begin with the premise that people are important in order to undermine it. We have to care about Ben in order to be horrified by what happens to him and what it means for us.
Too much modern horror forgets this and begins with the premise that people are not important so that it can entertain us with the creative ways in which it finds to destroy meaningless human lives. Who cares about the people killed by Michael Myers, Jigsaw or Roland Emmerich?
However, without getting real human characters, it's just pornography. It's bad drama. It's not horrifying... at best it's just gross. I personally can't stomach it because it's an outright affront to how I experience my own life and those of the people around me. Even the horror of it: to stop and really consider that each person you see on the commute to work has their own life, loves, tragedies, and hopes is frightening and beautiful all at once. People really are important. I can't pack that in to a film with characters who are less human than real people I know. #heartbreakinghorror
I can't tell you how many times I've tried to explain concepts like this to friends of mine. For me, watching horror films always evokes deep gut-wrenching sadness well before any feelings of fear.
I think for me, at core, it's the depictions of blatant, intense and miserable suffering. #heartbreakinghorror
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no translation error:
"slaves in harness and piled with goods of war and after that the women, perhaps a dozen in number, some of them pregnant, and lastly a supplementary consort of catamites illclothed against the cold and fitted in dogcollars and yoked each to each. All passed on. They lay listening."
"A catamite is the younger, passive (anal recipient) partner in a pederastic relationship between a man and a boy, which was a popular arrangement in many areas of the ancient world."
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I read it in a dictionary
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of course they considered it, but the Cormac slapped him up side the head.
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So I would of thought someone like Hillcoat would have recognized it as an untouchable moment that shouldn't be left out.
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Sounds like I'll have to recruit some local IO9ers with whom to go see it. #theroad
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In Hollywood: not many. #theroad
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The Shining also has that brutal moment that toys with hope - Dick makes the difficult journey from Florida to the Overlook and there's the brief second when you think Wendy and Danny are saved, which is all quickly dispatched with an axe. #heartbreakinghorror
11/01/09
I also watched Shaun of the Dead on DVD yesterday and I cried when Shaun has to kill his mom after she was transformed into a zombie. His stepfather had already transformed. That scene gets me everytime.
The Shining was one of the scariest films I have ever seen.
All good choices! #heartbreakinghorror
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As Jean Cocteau put it:
"Tragedy is clean, it is restful, it is flawless. It has nothing to do with melodrama -- with wicked villains, persecuted maidens, avengers, sudden revelations and eleventh-hour repentances. Death, in a melodrama, is really horrible because it is never inevitable. The dear old father might so easily have been saved; the honest young man might so easily have brought in the police five minutes earlier.
In a tragedy, nothing is in doubt and everyone's destiny is known. That makes for tranquility. There is a sort of fellow-feeling among characters in a tragedy: he who kills is as innocent as he who gets killed: it's all a matter of what part you are playing. Tragedy is restful; and the reason is that hope, that foul deceitful thing, has no part in it. There isn't any hope. You're trapped. The whole sky has fallen on you, and all you can do about it is shout. Don't mistake me: I said 'shout': I did not say groan, whimper, complain. That, you cannot do. But you can shout aloud; you can get at all those things said that you never dared say--or never even knew till then. And you don't say these things because it will do any good to say them: you know better than that. You say them for their own sake; you say them because you learn a lot from them."
Now, that's great horror.
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It's really a crushing film, emotionally. Plus it has vomit that eats peoples hands off. #heartbreakinghorror
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In those classic horrors, the drama derived from the idea of a universe so frightfully full of meaning, where a very real battle between very real Good and Evil was going on, that the fate of each soul was of the most paramount importance. What happens to Mina, Frank Stanley, Larry Talbot, the Frankenstein Monster and the little girl he accidentally kills is really, really important. People are important.
In modern horror, we get the opposite senario, where the drama is supposed to be derived from the idea of a universe so frightfully devoid of meaning, where we're all just meatbags, that all that is left is the bittersweet curse of survival. But even the best examples of that begin with the premise that people are important in order to undermine it. We have to care about Ben in order to be horrified by what happens to him and what it means for us.
Too much modern horror forgets this and begins with the premise that people are not important so that it can entertain us with the creative ways in which it finds to destroy meaningless human lives. Who cares about the people killed by Michael Myers, Jigsaw or Roland Emmerich?
However, without getting real human characters, it's just pornography. It's bad drama. It's not horrifying... at best it's just gross. I personally can't stomach it because it's an outright affront to how I experience my own life and those of the people around me. Even the horror of it: to stop and really consider that each person you see on the commute to work has their own life, loves, tragedies, and hopes is frightening and beautiful all at once. People really are important. I can't pack that in to a film with characters who are less human than real people I know. #heartbreakinghorror
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I can't tell you how many times I've tried to explain concepts like this to friends of mine. For me, watching horror films always evokes deep gut-wrenching sadness well before any feelings of fear.
I think for me, at core, it's the depictions of blatant, intense and miserable suffering. #heartbreakinghorror