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SenorDoucheoisie
09/26/09

In reply to io9 Talks To Surrogates Creator Robert Venditti
"To me, the most important part of the book, even though it's a very small element, is the relationship between Harvey Greer and [his wife] Margaret. I think maybe it accounts for ten pages, if that, of the entire graphic novel, but it's what drives home the human toll of the entire technology."

I completely agree, and I can't imagine how pissed Venditti must be if he's seen the movie, because from what I hear they completely change the most important scene of the relationship, to the point where it really doesn't drive home anything.
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
09/26/09

@SenorDoucheoisie: I suspected that. I agree that it's the most important part of the book. It's the whole POINT of the book, and if it doesn't go that way, it's pointless.

I hope he got enough money to dry his tears.
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collex
09/26/09

@Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.: Well, haven't read the book, but from what he says, it has been retained in the movie. I quote him:

"All of that is retained in the film, and the relationship plays out very much like it does in the book, and I think because that is in there - and in the film, I think more screentime is devoted to it than pagetime in the book - I think that stuff will still shine through."

So from what I hear, they retained that in the movie. AT least, that's what I get from just reading his explanation.
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
09/26/09

@collex: I don't want to be all spoilery, but if what Senor D said about them changing the one scene, then it's ruined indeed.
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
09/26/09

In reply to io9 Talks To Surrogates Creator Robert Venditti
As a moderately physically-disabled person, I'd jump at the chance to have a surrogate. It wouldn't need to be super-strong or super-beautiful, just exist.

Which he talks about in the book.

The book was so good I'm not planning to see the movie.
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collex
09/26/09

@Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.: As a person with a extremely complex and debilitating heart malformation since birth, ther eis no way in hell I would want a surrogate. A artificial heart? Okay. A cloned heart? Still fine. But sleeping in a chair all day and all night, not walking outside, or running or swimming?

I did that enough already, thanks.
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
09/26/09

@collex: Sure, I'd prefer better physical health, getting everything fixed. But my condition is generalized. I'd need several systems replaced.

But on days when I'm not feeling up to running errands, a surrogate to drive, schlep laundry and groceries would sure be handy. Maybe go to the movies and concerts and other socializing instead of having to beg off.
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collex
09/27/09

@Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.: I understand, but in The Surrogates, if they have the technology to create mindcontrolled robot bodies, they would have the right technology to make mindcontrolled robot prothesis, right? If my legs and my arms are missing, I would prefer new legs and arms than a new body, no?
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Tomb: R.O.A.C.H.
09/26/09

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I remember SPX here in sweden. I saw The first Surrogates novel at the TopShelf booth and asked Chris Staros (what a awesome person btw) "Is'nt this going to be a movie soon? Saw the viral." And then we talked abit about the movie, the comic and the future in general. Then he offered me to buy the book for a cheaper price. Well I could'nt say no to that right?

So later when I got home and opened the book. Guess what? The book was signed by Robert Venditti. :D
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
09/26/09

@Tomb: R.O.A.C.H.: You are lucky! Twice.
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SenorDoucheoisie
07/28/09

In reply to Two Of The Year's Best Comics Dominate This Quiet Week
The Surrogates prequel comes out this week? I've been keeping my eye out lately only for Blackest Night and Batman and Robin, and I would've been bummed had I missed this gem.

I sincerely thought the original was the best graphic novel of that year, and the best SF novel in YEARS. Hopefully the movie doesn't completely botch that, but Bruce Willis....
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
07/28/09

@SenorDoucheoisie: I'm all grumpy every time I see that movie trailer. The book was amazing, and they're gonna "movie" it up, dumb it down, make it all Willis-y.
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SenorDoucheoisie
07/28/09

@Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.: Actually, a friend of mine saw an advance screening of this a couple months back, and he says it was actually a solid film.

Unfortunately, they apparently Disney-ified the ending, meaning the last few panels of the movie are the exact opposite of how they are in the comic.

Yeah, no expectations for this one.
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PVIII
07/28/09

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I've never really gotten into much DC stuff, but this Blackest Night event has really won me over. Loved the first two issues, and it got me to buy the Sinestro Wars trades, which wasn't shakespeare, but WAS really entertaining. I like how Johns has made GL into huge space opera book - very Star Trek in scope. I feel like each Corps is like a faction in the Trek universe, which is nice. Also some of the beats in BN 1 were unbelievably cinematic (the Guardian chomping on other Guardian I thought was awesome).
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Darklighter
07/28/09

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Loeb finally ends the crapfest that is Ultimatum this week.
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silentstriderm
07/28/09

@Darklighter: hear hear!
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SnehalMarten
07/28/09

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No. Sorry. The Best Science Fiction Comic Book out this week is "Ignition City #4" by Warren Ellis.

Your two choices this week are just really boring. Ignition City is more groundbreaking and has a more interesting vision than either of your choices.

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mikecap
07/28/09

@SnehalMarten: Not precisely groundbreaking for Ellis, but definitely better than a lot of the drek out there.
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Nate Brown
04/01/09

In reply to Surrogates' Crime Drama Is More Real Than Its Protagonists
the first book blew my mind. besides the great story this book has the the most unique comic art style ive seen in years. think of raw storyboards with Painter coloring and photo backgrounds.
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
04/01/09

@Nate Brown: I do like the minimalist look. So many artists are so busy being "artistic" that you can't figure out what the hell is going on in the panels.
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
04/01/09

@Evil Tortie's Mom: okay, I'm convinced -- I've got the first book on reserve at my library as soon as whoever has it now returns it (there's only one copy, so the bastid better not lose it).
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Triplanetary
04/01/09

In reply to Surrogates' Crime Drama Is More Real Than Its Protagonists
What makes the book work so well is its downbeat, cynical tone.

I for one am tired of this decade's obsession with downbeat, cynical tones. It has its place, and I won't dismiss the graphic novel outright for being dark and gritty, but neither does it endear it to me in any way.
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
04/01/09

@Triplanetary: Same here. I'd like to see a few upbeat stories that aren't stupid "comedies".
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NotArthurPDragon
04/01/09

In reply to Surrogates' Crime Drama Is More Real Than Its Protagonists
Charlie's gonna come after you for suggesting that Dollhouse isn't anything but the most wonderful, well done thing in the world. Though he's pretty much felt this before reading a word of script or seeing a second of film.
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Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
04/01/09

@NotArthurPDragon: Charlie Jane is not a "he".
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Ghede
04/01/09

@Evil Tortie's Mom: Correct. We don't call Bipedal Insects From Beyond! "he" because they dislike singular pronouns due to their group-mind.

They prefer either to be called by all of their names, or plural pronouns. Charlie Jane Anders are a THEY.
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