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    What If the Beatles Never Broke Up?

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    Image of Klebert L. Hall Klebert L. Hall
    11/13/09

    In reply to What If the Beatles Never Broke Up?
    "How might the face of music, television, and politics have changed if the Beatles had stuck around?"

    Probably not very different at all.

    The Beatles broke up pretty much at the top of their game. This was almost certainly a good thing. Artists (perhaps especially musicians) really only have so much to give. After that, it just becomes sort of sad and embarrassing.

    Why would anyone want them to have become what the Rolling Stones have become? Or The Who?
    -Kle. #thebeatles
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    Image of Sunshineyness Sunshineyness
    11/12/09

    In reply to What If the Beatles Never Broke Up?
    Honest? I cried reading that thinking of how awesome that would have been. SEVEN MORE SEASONS OF THE MUPPET SHOW???

    II think in all honesty, had Lennon not been shot I suspect they would have pulled their heads out of their asses long enough to realize they may be good on their own but they were magic together. Maybe never do another album but at least a special reunion concert.

    Happenstance, I just watched Hard Day's Night again the other night and forgot just how plain... fun The Beatles were. Seeing them young and funny like that. Man, it breaks your heart knowing how it ends. #thebeatles
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    Image of Smeagol92055 Smeagol92055
    11/12/09

    In reply to What If the Beatles Never Broke Up?
    That was brilliant and well-thought out... except I would have expected it to be Bill O'Reilley that criticized Lennon, not Hannity. #thebeatles
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    Image of Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H. Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
    11/12/09

    In reply to What If the Beatles Never Broke Up?
    That is a beautiful world, and I want to live in it. Sigh.

    The simple chronicle/newspaper style makes it so effective.

    Thanks for pointing us to this, Lauren! #thebeatles
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    Image of gorehound gorehound
    11/12/09

    In reply to What If the Beatles Never Broke Up?
    i am still waiting for the meatmen to update the classic 1 down 3 to go song. #thebeatles
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    Image of Wookie1972 Wookie1972
    11/12/09

    In reply to What If the Beatles Never Broke Up?
    On a bit of a tangent, anybody else read the Vertigo miniseries Greatest Hits? It could be described as essentially the Beatles meet Watchmen. Not as good as it could have been, but worth a look. #thebeatles
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    11/12/09

    In reply to What If the Beatles Never Broke Up?
    I once started a screenplay about what would happen if Elvis never faked his death... I never got past the initial pages. Sigh. #thebeatles
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    Image of sharkd sharkd
    11/12/09

    @Wookie1972: Did it involve Elvis and former President Jack Kennedy stalking an evil mummy in the halls of a retirement home, by chance? #thebeatles
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    Image of Wookie1972 Wookie1972
    11/12/09

    @sharkd: Sadly, it did not, which is maybe why I never was able to go anywhere with it.

    Mine *did* have him recording with the Sex Pistols, which in retrospect is just as unlikely. #thebeatles
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    11/12/09

    In reply to What If the Beatles Never Broke Up?
    Not bad, but I kind of wish Lennon had lived to see Youtube. He would have loved it. #thebeatles
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    Image of schrodingers-katana schrodingers-katana
    11/12/09

    In reply to What If the Beatles Never Broke Up?
    My theory is that maybe the wrong two Beatles wouldn't have died first in that universe. #thebeatles
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    11/12/09

    In reply to What If the Beatles Never Broke Up?
    Or, they'd be double-billing RV shows with REO Speedwagon. #thebeatles
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    Image of Dunny0 Dunny0
    11/12/09

    In reply to What If the Beatles Never Broke Up?
    Brilliant. #thebeatles
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    Image of aubreyf aubreyf
    11/12/09

    In reply to What If the Beatles Never Broke Up?
    This is a really great idea. What would a Beatles album from the 80s even sound like? #thebeatles
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    Image of Daveinva Daveinva
    11/12/09

    @aubreyf: Say, Say, Say? #thebeatles
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    Image of Wookie1972 Wookie1972
    11/12/09

    @Daveinva: Or worse, ELO.

    (Oh, wait, that's what "Free As A Bird" sounded like)

    (Ducks) #thebeatles
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    Image of TheGreenRanger TheGreenRanger
    11/12/09

    @Wookie1972: If you don't like ELO's Mr. Blue Sky then you have no soul and should burn in hell. #thebeatles
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    Image of Wookie1972 Wookie1972
    11/12/09

    @TheGreenRanger: I don't mind that, and I like "Living Thing" (used at the end of Boogie Nights), but I found Lynne's production of "Free As A Bird" quite horrible. #thebeatles
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    Image of allium allium
    11/12/09

    @Wookie1972: (aims low) #thebeatles
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    11/12/09

    @allium: Oh, c'mon, seriously? "Free As A Bird" is the Phantom Menace of music. #thebeatles
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    Image of Tracy Ham and Eggs Tracy Ham and Eggs
    11/12/09

    In reply to What If the Beatles Never Broke Up?
    This program has been brought to you by the number 4 and the letter B, letter B #thebeatles
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    Image of Edfire Edfire
    11/12/09

    @Tracy Ham and Eggs: This program brought to you by the number 9
    number 9
    number 9
    number 9 #thebeatles
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    Image of Kishi Kishi
    10/29/09

    In reply to Airship Greets a Time-Traveling Mayflower in New York Harbor
    Importantly, this picture matches with Kenneth Hite's Rule: "Alternative Universes tend to have more Zeppelins." #airship
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    Image of reddingofish reddingofish
    10/29/09

    In reply to Airship Greets a Time-Traveling Mayflower in New York Harbor
    I would like to read a book about what it would have been like if the Europeans had made it to North America and the natives already had guns and tech at about the 19th century level. I don't think it would have been so easy. More like what happend in China. #airship
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    Image of PSac PSac
    10/29/09

    @reddingofish: That's more realistic than the picture. If North America was that technologically advanced, wouldn't it make sense that settlers would've gone to (and maybe conquered) Europe? #airship
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    Image of Althestane Althestane
    10/29/09

    @PSac: Well, you'd have to take into account how an advanced Native American culture would operate. I'm not labeling them all as peace-loving peoples (goodness knows many were the opposite) but I don't imagine that trans-oceanic conquest and colonization would have been in the cards. #airship
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    Image of Sunshineyness Sunshineyness
    10/29/09

    @Althestane: At the end of the day the Native North American people didn't have the concept of land ownership so how could they go anywhere and "conquer"? #airship
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    Image of The_Sporean_Bob The_Sporean_Bob
    10/29/09

    @Sunshineyness: but is that necessarily what they would believe were they so advanced? And though they may not believe in owning land, that doesn't mean anything about not owning people, or using them, or taking their goods. #airship
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    Image of Sunshineyness Sunshineyness
    10/29/09

    @The_Sporean_Bob: I guess that's true. I was thinking conquering in the very western sense I think (claiming that land is physically yours). That doesn't exclude taking people, food, supples, etc. But would they have stayed? Governed? It's very difficult to say because the core concepts of their culture were so different than the Europeans even when comparing them at the time of equal technologies. #airship
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    Image of 1Grand_Marquis 1Grand_Marquis
    10/29/09

    @Sunshineyness: That's only because they weren't at a stage where economics had risen to the forefront of their philosophical views. The idea of ownership can only be derived from that. They were getting close though, when settlers first arrived. The concept of alliance was being utilized - which requires a tangible distinction of tribes in order to work - and the concept of sovereignty was in its early stages as well. #airship
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    Image of Sunshineyness Sunshineyness
    10/29/09

    @1Grand_Marquis: I guess than the better question would have been what if the colonists arrived about 100 years later? Would they tribes have had alliances formed that would have enabled them to avoid being defeated by the Europeans?

    (Also, upon some quick searches I'm finding interesting articles on how the issue of Native Americans and land ownership is an historically sticky one...) #airship
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    Image of Trystero Trystero
    10/29/09

    @Sunshineyness: That assumes that cultural devolopment follows some positivistic path. It's not like they were a few turns away from researching "Nationalism" in Civilization IV. And as you've seen from your google searches, simply stating that "Native Americans" didn't have notions of land ownership oversimplifies things a great deal.

    Now I'm about to be a bad commenter by not looking up what I'm about to say: Regardless of whether or not "Native Americans" (I keep using quotes because European settlers encountered several different tribes) had notions of land ownership, they were organized enough to push a pitiful band of settlers into the sea. #airship
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    Image of The_Sporean_Bob The_Sporean_Bob
    10/30/09

    @Sunshineyness: Possibly. It really depends on which tribe went over there, I guess. The Inca, for example, most often used hegemonic methods to slowly absorb other tribes into their own, so they probably would have stayed and indoctrinated the Europeans in their ways, made them speak their languages, and build some roads. Who knows, really? #airship
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    Image of Vulcan Has No Moon Vulcan Has No Moon
    10/31/09

    @PSac: Who the heck would want Europe during that era? Other than a few bright spots of civility amongst the upper classes (Renaissance art, science, literature) most of Europe was a cold, over-crowded, plague-ridden hell hole. The Advanced First Nations may have sent a few scouts to Europe to see what the place is like, they surely would have returned home disappointed and carrying quite a few parasites. I don't see the flu and small pox wiping out hoards of the Advanced First Nations folks since they obviously would have invented anti-virals, antibiotics, and vaccines by then, but still the germ-ridden unwashed Europeans probably wouldn't have been on any interest to them. #airship
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