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Would The Mothman Prophecies count as science fiction? certainly there is a pseudo-scientific rationale given for the phenomena. Either way that film disturbed me for weeks.
i honestly dont get why people like spiderman 2 so much. it was pretty terrible.i mean you have a world renown scientist working on a project that basically creates a perpetual sun and the only containment is these AI tenticles? and they do this domonstration in the middle of new york?! before doc oc was even crazy he was more reckless, i mean shit when he turned evil he at least went to "ye olde abandoned dock warehouse district" slightly away from the population center of the east coast.
then you have osborn being a spoiled crying rich kid and peter being a push over.
then spiderman loses his mask on an eltrain and no one is going to say anything about it? a crowd of new yorkers being nobel? i could go on like this.
then the self sustaining fusion reaction sun is stopped by what water at the end? really? a self sustaining sun put out by water and not boiling everything for miles instantly? what?
spiderman 3 wasn't the downward slide for the franchise it started during two and just climaxed during the third.
Why couldn't you include sunshine? Because you included 28 days later? That makes no sense at all.
Especially since Sunshine - monster movie ending excluded - was one of the best sci-fi movies of the last decade easily. It's in my Top 5, that's for sure.
Plus, if someone were to try to get caught up on this movie list - I know I will - they would be remiss to skip Sunshine.
And as someone else mentioned: you need to include Children of Men.
Yes to the 16 I've seen. Sleep Dealer, Paprika and Robot Stories clearly need to be seen along with Avatar. Really pleased to see Slither on here as I love it to disgusting, fleshy pieces ('You need to get stuck with both them things to be...impregnated.' 'Oh that is AWESOME'). Likewise Pitch Black and Eternal Sunshine.
Since io9 covers fantasy as well, will TPTB be also doing a 20 Greatest Fantasy movies of the last Decade as well? So, that way we can all whine and moan about why didn't Pan's Labyrinth make the list?
I'm a little sad that there's no Minority Report on the list, but everything else? Spot on. Especially Wall-E, a movie I cannot watch without embarrassing, audible bawling.
So here's my theory on movies like Sunshine and Moon.
The closer you get to a perfect movie, the more glaring and detracting individual flaws in the movie become.
Sunshine being the perfect example. The first two-thirds are amazing. They made me feel the wonder and mystery that I love so much about sci-fi (and I totally don't feel often enough anymore. Except when I watch Primer. <3 Primer). And then Sunshine trots out this horror movie twist that so brutally crushes the potential of the previous 60 minutes, I still can't forgive the movie for it.
Moon wasn't as bad, but it just didn't come together. All the parts were amazing but they just didn't add up for some reason. And I really wanted them to. :(
@Matthew Anderson: I agree about Sunshine, and thought that the previous movie by the same director and screenwriter (28 Days Later) suffered from the exact same thing.
Wow, it's 30 years since I went to an SF convention, and I never able to figure out what Freff did. Never heard another name for the guy either. Glad to see that the guy thinks he has a real job. What does his hair look like now? He always had some wild hair, even for the late 1970s
I consider Pitch Black to be one of the finest films of my lifetime, without qualifiers like "decade" or "SF." It was a movie that just worked. It told the story it was there to tell, and that's the highest praise I can give it.
I need to watch that again.
The Incredibles is also a fabulous film. One of my former co-workers called it "the best Fantastic Four movie ever made." Wall-E was phenomenal as well.
I can't say I agree about Spider-Man 2 though. I've never been able to understand why people loved it so much. I was rather bored by it, and annoyed by it's writing. I also didn't love 28 Days Later. It was like a promise that didn't quite deliver for me.
@Mary Ratliff: I need to re-watch Spider-Man 2. I just remember being blown away by Doc Ock and his whole weird relationship with his cyber tentacles. And 28 Days Later is so harrowing because the hints of creeping fascism are so believable.
@Charlie Jane Anders: I could see that as a strong point for Spider-Man 2. I just came out of it feeling that the first movie was stronger overall, because it was a more solidly structured and told story. But then, I'm very very tied to story (and structure, though that's a newer development) and that tends to be my focus for anything I watch. I think that comes from spending so much time picking apart screenplays and analyzing them. Doc Ock as a character was well played, but wasn't my focus.
Your point about 28 Days Later is good too, I just feel that for me personally it suffered from being built up too much before I watched it. So many people went on and on about it and I finally saw it about two years ago and at the end all I could think was "That was it?" It wasn't that it was bad, it just wasn't what people had told me it was going to be.
@Charlie Jane Anders: I remember thinking it was utter crap after absolutely loving the first movie... It may have something to do with watching it as a screener in a tiny screen
Agree with most, but you could've done with either Spiderman 2 or Ironman, not both.
Also, keep Wall*e, slowly take away The Incredibles and add Sunshine.
That movie was a hidden and original gem in a sea of reboots.
Robot stories was complete trash, except for the wonderfully poignant story that is pictured, that of a mother trying to complete her dying son's robot toy collection. Reconnecting with a dying or lost loved one through the most minute aspects of their lives is something that anyone who's gone through something similar will instantly identify with. Great story, but really had nothing to do with robots. They could have been he-man dolls or a coin collection, and it wouldn't have changed anything.
Sleep Dealer... oh Sleep Dealer. Great premise, outsourcing manual labor with remote presence robotics, but who equates Mexico with outsourced labor these days? If this movie had been made by anyone other then Mexicans, it would have taken place in India. Have to give it credit for an accurate title though, as I fell asleep after 20 minutes.
Anyway, how could the above 2 films make it in, while Doomsday, 28 Days Later, and District B13 get snubbed? That's just not right at all.
@Cash907Censored: Doomsday? Really? That movie was beyond horrible.
"The people on the other side of the wall have turned to cannibalism because they have nothing to eat."
"What about those cows?"
"Cows?"
"Those cows just right on the other side of wall."
"I don't see any cows."
"There are thousands of them. Our vehicles had a horrible time going through them. Why don't people eat them? Or the very least milk them for dairy products?"
@mekki: I definitely got stuck on the cow thing last time I watched it. OTOH i think the cannibals were partly just cannibals as a lifestyle thing. They may have eaten cows as well. But yeah... I utterly love Doomsday but it belongs on a list of "best worst movies."
@Charlie Jane Anders: I'll give you the lifestyle thing but how the devil were they able to get gasoline to power the cars? Honestly, I couldn't even put it in the so bad it's good category because every other scene would have a gaping plot hole to the point I thought, "Oh, now I get it. I have to shut off my brain in order to watch this." That and I couldn't get past the fact that the movie sooooo wanted to be the UK version of The Mad Max series. Like a tofurky trying to pass itself off as the real thing.
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then you have osborn being a spoiled crying rich kid and peter being a push over.
then spiderman loses his mask on an eltrain and no one is going to say anything about it? a crowd of new yorkers being nobel? i could go on like this.
then the self sustaining fusion reaction sun is stopped by what water at the end? really? a self sustaining sun put out by water and not boiling everything for miles instantly? what?
spiderman 3 wasn't the downward slide for the franchise it started during two and just climaxed during the third.
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Especially since Sunshine - monster movie ending excluded - was one of the best sci-fi movies of the last decade easily. It's in my Top 5, that's for sure.
Plus, if someone were to try to get caught up on this movie list - I know I will - they would be remiss to skip Sunshine.
And as someone else mentioned: you need to include Children of Men.
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Sunshine should be excluded just because of its monster movie ending (unforgivable).
Where's Cloverfield? Oldboy? The Prestige?
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... I guess if you include the titles based off of children/young adult it would make 20?
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And, I still don't get The Host ;)
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The closer you get to a perfect movie, the more glaring and detracting individual flaws in the movie become.
Sunshine being the perfect example. The first two-thirds are amazing. They made me feel the wonder and mystery that I love so much about sci-fi (and I totally don't feel often enough anymore. Except when I watch Primer. <3 Primer). And then Sunshine trots out this horror movie twist that so brutally crushes the potential of the previous 60 minutes, I still can't forgive the movie for it.
Moon wasn't as bad, but it just didn't come together. All the parts were amazing but they just didn't add up for some reason. And I really wanted them to. :(
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I need to watch that again.
The Incredibles is also a fabulous film. One of my former co-workers called it "the best Fantastic Four movie ever made." Wall-E was phenomenal as well.
I can't say I agree about Spider-Man 2 though. I've never been able to understand why people loved it so much. I was rather bored by it, and annoyed by it's writing. I also didn't love 28 Days Later. It was like a promise that didn't quite deliver for me.
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Your point about 28 Days Later is good too, I just feel that for me personally it suffered from being built up too much before I watched it. So many people went on and on about it and I finally saw it about two years ago and at the end all I could think was "That was it?" It wasn't that it was bad, it just wasn't what people had told me it was going to be.
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Also, keep Wall*e, slowly take away The Incredibles and add Sunshine.
That movie was a hidden and original gem in a sea of reboots.
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Anyway, what didn't happen for you? I liked pretty much everything but the performances and cinematography jumped at me.
Who knew that the guy from Fantastic Four could act!
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Robot stories was complete trash, except for the wonderfully poignant story that is pictured, that of a mother trying to complete her dying son's robot toy collection. Reconnecting with a dying or lost loved one through the most minute aspects of their lives is something that anyone who's gone through something similar will instantly identify with. Great story, but really had nothing to do with robots. They could have been he-man dolls or a coin collection, and it wouldn't have changed anything.
Sleep Dealer... oh Sleep Dealer. Great premise, outsourcing manual labor with remote presence robotics, but who equates Mexico with outsourced labor these days? If this movie had been made by anyone other then Mexicans, it would have taken place in India. Have to give it credit for an accurate title though, as I fell asleep after 20 minutes.
Anyway, how could the above 2 films make it in, while Doomsday, 28 Days Later, and District B13 get snubbed? That's just not right at all.
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"The people on the other side of the wall have turned to cannibalism because they have nothing to eat."
"What about those cows?"
"Cows?"
"Those cows just right on the other side of wall."
"I don't see any cows."
"There are thousands of them. Our vehicles had a horrible time going through them. Why don't people eat them? Or the very least milk them for dairy products?"
"I have no idea what you are talking about."
".....sigh."
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