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    Image of Demonbird Demonbird
    01:24 PM

    In reply to Why Bryan Singer's Return To The X-Men Is A Bad Idea
    I think there needs to be a universal policy for comic writing that should cover the books and movies.
    Namely, write it like someone else has to pick up where you left off.
    Unless of course the series is definitively without question ending.

    This way things like the Last Stand killing chunks of the cast and making a mess of a job for any future sequels would likely not happen.
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    Image of braak:  You are, as usual, completely correct. braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
    01:00 PM

    In reply to Why Bryan Singer's Return To The X-Men Is A Bad Idea
    On the other hand, Singer gets to come back to the franchise after Brett Ratner, which is bound to soften the criticism of anything he does.
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    12:47 PM

    In reply to Ten Science Stories That Changed Our Decade
    "and robotic arms controlled by monkey minds."
    I don't know why but that phrase makes me snicker.
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    Image of Yellowphant Yellowphant
    12:41 PM

    In reply to Why Bryan Singer's Return To The X-Men Is A Bad Idea
    Why Bryan Singer's Return To The X-Men Is A Bad Idea:

    X-Men
    X2
    Superman Returns
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    Image of Lassus Lassus
    12:39 PM

    In reply to Why Bryan Singer's Return To The X-Men Is A Bad Idea
    "We'll grant you that Singer's first two entries in the X franchise are easily the best two movies in the series to date..."

    This just isn't saying much.
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    Image of Wookie1972 Wookie1972
    12:23 PM

    In reply to When Will White People Stop Making Movies Like "Avatar"?
    In defense of District 9, I think that there are some basic assumptions that people are making.

    1) That the Nigerians represent all black people. They definitely don't. Admittedly, there could be more sympathetic Africans, and the few there are could be arguably tokens, but the Nigerians represent the Nigerians.

    2) That oppressed people are unified in their oppression. This has never been the case, and all oppressors have used the strategy of "divide and conquer." White indentured servants in the colonies were told that they should be fortunate that they weren't African slaves. Clearly, the Africans in D9 were capitalizing on the fact that there was a new group of "minorities" to push around.

    3) That Wikus, though the protagonist, is supposed to be completely sympathetic. He is a very complicated character. I read somewhere that Wikus' last name is supposed to be a kind of joke name in South Africa, kind of the "dumb redneck"stereotype. Wikus is basically a Michael Scott character. He's supposed to be awkward, clumsy, and not very bright.
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    12:08 PM

    In reply to Why Bryan Singer's Return To The X-Men Is A Bad Idea
    Here's a compromise: Hire a different director to direct 90% of the movie but allow Singer to direct the big expository scene where Professor Xavier explains who the X-Men are and what they can do.
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    Image of schrodingers-katana schrodingers-katana
    12:25 PM

    @Bill-Lee: That seems fair and just to me. I like that Josh Schwartz idea mentioned above. If he can make me sit down and watch a teen angst drama every week, he's doing something right (writing compelling characters and dialogue).
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    10:40 AM

    In reply to When Will White People Stop Making Movies Like "Avatar"?
    "This is also the basic story of Dune, where a member of the white royalty flees his posh palace on the planet Dune to become leader of the worm-riding native Fremen"

    Frank Herbert subverts this basic story by making the Fremen prophecy about an outsider becoming the Mahdi a partial fabrication built around ideas and patterns planted by the Bene Gesserit in order to protect their members should they be trapped on Arrakis. Paul and Lady Jessica knowingly take advantage of the prophecy for their own survival and later Paul uses it for his revenge. Herbert has said of heroes, ""The bottom line of the Dune trilogy is: beware of heroes. Much better [to]rely on your own judgment, and your own mistakes." In the second book, "heroic" Paul has become an ineffectual leader whose followers have gone out of control launching a jihad in his name that kills billions. Instead of dealing with the consequences of his actions, he ends by wandering into the desert to die like a Fremen -- only to return years later as a crazy prophet mocking his own empire.

    The Fremen aren't truly native to Arrakis, they are descendants of colonists, the Zensunni wanderers who were exiled from the more civilized parts of the universe. Unlike the later colonists they adapted to the desert environment rather than wanting force to the environment to adapt to humans.
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    Image of tamoko tamoko
    10:34 AM

    In reply to How Close Are We To Colonizing Space?
    We're not even on the map, but I guess we have to start somewhere... The ISS is a start.
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    Image of jayntampa jayntampa
    10:34 AM

    In reply to When Will White People Stop Making Movies Like "Avatar"?
    Any article that calls out an entire race is automatic fail in my book, I'm sorry. One of the biggest problems in race relations is people generalizing just by the color of skin ... and that what this whole article is about.

    The fact is, I think you got it wrong. This story is really about the outsider becoming the insider -- that's the archetype at play, it just works really well in colonization stories because the sides are so well defined and it's easy to make the colonizers the bad guys. However, it works in crime stories (undercover agent/criminals), political stories (undercover agent/radicals), sci-fi (undercover agent/aliens), and so on.

    The reason these stories are told is because the archetype is powerful ... it's just this particular flavor is so easy to do.
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    Image of Klebert L. Hall Klebert L. Hall
    07:52 AM

    In reply to When Will White People Stop Making Movies Like "Avatar"?
    "When will whites stop making these movies and start thinking about race in a new way?"

    When people realize the concept of race is a load of BS.

    Alternately, when people start hiring better writers.
    -Kle.
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    Image of Lightice Lightice
    09:30 AM

    @Klebert L. Hall: Well, the biological concept of race is BS. The social concept however, not so much. People react differently to people who look different from themselves, and are likely to identify more with those who look like themselves. This doesn't mean that racism is an inherit necessity, but racial thinking seems to be, unless some racidal changes happen to the concept of humanity itself, either through alien contact, development of AI or rise of transhumanism - and those would be pretty likely to just alter racial thinking into thinking about another distinction.

    The downside of the human mind's tendency to classify everything into compartments, it seems.
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    Image of Klebert L. Hall Klebert L. Hall
    07:45 AM

    In reply to How Close Are We To Colonizing Space?
    Not very close.
    It isn't colonization until people are born and grow up there.
    -Kle.
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    12:06 AM

    In reply to When Will White People Stop Making Movies Like "Avatar"?
    Besides ending these "white guilt movies" I think Hollywood really needs to give up the noble savage. Why can't they depict natives as regular people and not enlightened supermen?
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    Image of Andrew Littler Andrew Littler
    03:39 AM

    @Bill-Lee: because they fear being sued by Native groups complaining they are being portrayed negatively
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    Image of Zack Stentz Zack Stentz
    08:15 AM

    @Bill-Lee: Look at the criticism that District 9 got for suggested that living in an impoverished slum didn't necessarily make you noble and kind. There were even suggestions from some (in this forum, if I'm remembering correctly) about what a better movie it would have been if all the Prawns had been nice.
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    Image of Wookie1972 Wookie1972
    09:33 AM

    @Andrew Littler: Seriously? Clint Eastwood's Flags Of Our Fathers had a three-dimensional Native American who had some of the negative stereotypes of natives (he became an alcoholic). I don't recall one native person complaining about it.

    Natives are mostly invisible in modern American movies, unless they conform to the noble savage archetype/stereotype.
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    10:55 AM

    @Andrew Littler: American Indians find the "noble savage" image offensive -- because it's as unrealistic as the "barbaric savage". The handful of times that American Indians have been able to depict themselves in film the characters have been realistic human beings. Smoke Signals, which was directed by Chris Eyre who is Cheyenne and Aprapaho and written by Shermie Alexie who is Spokane/Coueur d'Alene is an excellent film and depicts contemporary American Indians as they really are rather than enlightened, mystical beings.
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    12:04 AM

    In reply to When Will White People Stop Making Movies Like "Avatar"?
    "...where a member of the white royalty flees his posh palace on the planet Dune..." I would flee too if my father's enemies sent a huge army to f'ing our entire family.
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    Image of joetato joetato
    12:03 AM

    In reply to Avatar Won't Make You Go Native
    I feel I must again quote the brilliant film HARDWARE WARS, from the scene where Fluke Starbunker says to Ham Salad, "We're all going to die!" To which Ham Salad replies, "Relax kid! It's only a movie."

    Hardware Wars! The gripping space saga of everyday appliances. You'll laugh! You'll cry! You'll kiss five bucks goodbye! May the farce be with you.
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