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I love pretty much love everything Pixar's done, and while they've not all been absolute gems (i'm looking at you, Cars) I trust their teams to make engaging, witty, emotional adventures no matter what. That said, why are their next 3 pictures slated to be sequels?!? I'm rather put-off by this news.
It's not that I don't think they can make GOOD sequels (Toy Story 2 was great!) but I value their sheer imaginative creativity that brings us new stories, new characters, and new worlds to get invested in every time.
Isn't this just a shorter version of the trailer that came out about a month ago? I see no new footage - all that was different is the clips from 1 & 2 at the start and the whole bit with Spanish Buzz is missing.
It woulda been great to add wear marks and scuffs to the characters to show that it really has been 15 years since the first movie came out, and what, 10 years in the movie's timeline?
So, 1 was "be who you are and do the best you can with that." 2 was "home is where the heart is." 3...is..."don't give up collectibles because children will only destroy them and then you'll be sorry?"
@Kitradu: All 3 of those are valuable lessons. 3 especially.
Why are the toys that Andy and Mom know are collectible being dumped on a daycare? Why aren't they being saved in a box for Andy to keep after college, or to pass on to his future children, not trashed by random brats?
My brother and I left stuff in Mom's basement till years after we got married, and it wasn't worth money/of mega-sentimental value.
@Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.: What I find interesting is that in the second movie, right as Al wants to buy Woody from the mom, she says that she can't sell it because its an old family heirloom.
And I know she was probably just saying that to get the creepy man off her lawn, but that one line makes you think.
We know that Woody is an expensive commodity in the toy collecting world and the mother almost seems to know that...then why the hell does she let Andy give them away.
Also on a random note. I have this theory that Andy's mom is really Emily from the Jessie's Song scene. lol
@agentgabs: I thought I remember reading a while ago that Andy actually keeps Woody. So maybe he does and then Woody goes to the daycare to bust the rest of the toys out. Of course, I am frequently full of it...
@aubreyf: That seems to make more sense. Obviously this is a toy from a 50's television show. Surely his mom MUST know it's worth SOMETHING. Or at the very least it didn't belong to Andy first, perhaps his father or grandfather? You'd think a toy they had for so long would be valuable for sentimental reasons alone let alone the simple fact that it's old and monetarily valuable.
I like the way they're bring the story to it's logical conclusion, plus the fact that they're keeping the voice actor who played Andy in the first two films.
Lol, Meredith I'm on the same page as you. The more likely movie was Andy bringing his sweet classic action figures to college, sitting them on the edge of his desk and traumatizing them for life with his poorly chosen and varied sexual exploits.
Also, wasn't the actual plot here the exact script that got canned two or three years ago for sucking so much?
@Chip Skylark of Space: it was good. let me say this- it builds up to the PERFECT ending for the series.
now the cons- the bad guy is a poor man's Stinky Pete, act one is a poor imitation of act one of Toy Story 2, the final climax in act three is a again, a poor repeat of the airport chase in TS2.
the good news- i gave all that feedback to the pixar peeps on hand. and the film i saw was, i'd say 75% animatic. so we're still a ways out, they will hopefully make some changes... we will see. #tomhanks
I hope some day that Tom has the money to pay for a trip to the moon (the Soyuz vacation special). That'd blow people's minds, but that last I saw, the Russians were saying it would cost 100 million. It'd be nice for Soyuz to finally do the thing it was built to do- go to the moon.
@dicksson: Well lets get real here, the difference is that Hartmans characters rarely had a major part of their stories, and if they did it lasted all of a episode.
Slinky was as much a character of those movies as Buzz and Woody, I would even say more so than Sandy since he was in both of them.
Loosing Slinky when he was such a faithful companion of Woody with just a random line would in my eyes be even more disrespectful than say recasting the part.
@Jim Topoleski: Slinky is not and was not a lead character he was a side character, he's a part of the movies but the movies could exist without him, unlike Woody or Buzz.
Bullseye could easily fill the faithful companion role as well.
And who says Slinky has to talk? There's a million reasons why a toy could lose the ability to speak or better yet Slinky being gone could work very well with what seems to start as a bitter sweet story where the toys are left behind and their time with their children has ended. The loss of Slinky doesn't need to be treated as a throw away. But it could just as easily not be mentioned at all it's been years and a toys life is a fragile thing.
But let's get real here, Slinky stays in the picture for toy reasons and not for storytelling or out of respect.
@Jim Topoleski: Did I say remove him from other the movies? No.
Did I say he wasn't important in the other movies? No.
I said he's a side character and he is.
Let's not get into some asinine debate about how they use his slinky abilities for numerous things and how now one else could do that, yeah I know. I watched the movie. But, in a new movie they could do something new. It's been ten years, plenty of time to come up with a more graceful solution than finding one of his friends to voice him.
I didn't say this movie looks like crap or I'm not going to see it, or I hope it bombs or Disney sucks. I just said that replacing Slinky with a new voice, and not retiring the character is a commercial decision not a creative one. And if you think it's fine and a great idea, good for you. I don't.
I think you meant to say Blake Clark, not Black Clark, but I think that his casting will work just fine. I mean, not as good as Jim Varney, but as good as we'll be able to get.
And I'm excited about the extension of the 1 & 2 3D thing. I haven't gotten a chance to see it yet and I really want to.
honestly the repackaging of toy story's 1 and 2 into a 3D double feature felt so much like a crass attempt to hook a new generation of parents into buying all things toy story for their kids has left me with a bitter taste in my mouth that toy story 3 may not be able to overcome.
@tetracycloide: They've rereleased their classics before without much besides "Digital remastering", so at least they added 3D on this one...
And nearly anything is better than their straight to DVD sequels to all their past successes. Seriously, Bambi 2? Cinderella 2? Mulan 2? Ugh, give us a break, Disney.
@tetracycloide: All the way back to the 40's, Disney's has re-released films on a schedule of about 7-10 years. The reasoning was that the films primary appeal as an "experience" was to children under 10, so the "Back from Disney's Vault" tactic allowed multiple generations to view it without saturating the market. The tactic was actually used (under the very same name) for Snow White, Disney's first animated film, released in 1938. VCR and DVD releases of the films allowed kids to view it all the time any time, and kinda screwed up the impact of the strategy, but this 7-year cycle marketing tactic has a history almost as old as Disney itself.
@tetracycloide: Disney has always done this, before VHS was big they had films on a 7 year rotation of re-release in theatres. Then they switched to VHS and DVD, what's wrong with putting it back out, it's not like they added a bunch of digital wamprats or changed the Ewok song at the end.
And as far as straight to video sequels, not only was Toy Story 2 going to be one of those, but 3 as well. Fortunately Lasseter has a brain and not only put the kibosh on a TS2 dvd sequel he banned them outright from Disney when he took over animation there.
@NightElfMohawk: See, I'm a little too young to have ever seen those commercials, but throughout my life, my dad would occasionally say "Know what I mean, Verne?"
I knew they were from Jim Varney commercials, but I had never seen them before... Good ol' Jim Varney...
11/27/09
It's not that I don't think they can make GOOD sequels (Toy Story 2 was great!) but I value their sheer imaginative creativity that brings us new stories, new characters, and new worlds to get invested in every time.
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I kinda figured that, but it does sound just like him.
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Why are the toys that Andy and Mom know are collectible being dumped on a daycare? Why aren't they being saved in a box for Andy to keep after college, or to pass on to his future children, not trashed by random brats?
My brother and I left stuff in Mom's basement till years after we got married, and it wasn't worth money/of mega-sentimental value.
11/25/09
And I know she was probably just saying that to get the creepy man off her lawn, but that one line makes you think.
We know that Woody is an expensive commodity in the toy collecting world and the mother almost seems to know that...then why the hell does she let Andy give them away.
Also on a random note. I have this theory that Andy's mom is really Emily from the Jessie's Song scene. lol
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Also, wasn't the actual plot here the exact script that got canned two or three years ago for sucking so much?
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now the cons- the bad guy is a poor man's Stinky Pete, act one is a poor imitation of act one of Toy Story 2, the final climax in act three is a again, a poor repeat of the airport chase in TS2.
the good news- i gave all that feedback to the pixar peeps on hand. and the film i saw was, i'd say 75% animatic. so we're still a ways out, they will hopefully make some changes... we will see. #tomhanks
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Also, does this plot seem similar to the original script Disney was going to use without Pixar's help?
10/14/09
I hope some day that Tom has the money to pay for a trip to the moon (the Soyuz vacation special). That'd blow people's minds, but that last I saw, the Russians were saying it would cost 100 million. It'd be nice for Soyuz to finally do the thing it was built to do- go to the moon.
10/13/09
Stay classy Disney and Pixar. Stay classy.
10/13/09
Slinky was as much a character of those movies as Buzz and Woody, I would even say more so than Sandy since he was in both of them.
Loosing Slinky when he was such a faithful companion of Woody with just a random line would in my eyes be even more disrespectful than say recasting the part.
10/13/09
Bullseye could easily fill the faithful companion role as well.
And who says Slinky has to talk? There's a million reasons why a toy could lose the ability to speak or better yet Slinky being gone could work very well with what seems to start as a bitter sweet story where the toys are left behind and their time with their children has ended. The loss of Slinky doesn't need to be treated as a throw away. But it could just as easily not be mentioned at all it's been years and a toys life is a fragile thing.
But let's get real here, Slinky stays in the picture for toy reasons and not for storytelling or out of respect.
10/13/09
Go watch it then tell me you could fill Slinky with another character. Really do it.
From what I am reading you are just a typical anti-Disney nut looking for a reason to hate when none exists.
10/13/09
Did I say he wasn't important in the other movies? No.
I said he's a side character and he is.
Let's not get into some asinine debate about how they use his slinky abilities for numerous things and how now one else could do that, yeah I know. I watched the movie. But, in a new movie they could do something new. It's been ten years, plenty of time to come up with a more graceful solution than finding one of his friends to voice him.
I didn't say this movie looks like crap or I'm not going to see it, or I hope it bombs or Disney sucks. I just said that replacing Slinky with a new voice, and not retiring the character is a commercial decision not a creative one. And if you think it's fine and a great idea, good for you. I don't.
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And I'm excited about the extension of the 1 & 2 3D thing. I haven't gotten a chance to see it yet and I really want to.
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And nearly anything is better than their straight to DVD sequels to all their past successes. Seriously, Bambi 2? Cinderella 2? Mulan 2? Ugh, give us a break, Disney.
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I saw both of those in the theaters as official Disney releases for Matinees in the 80's
So its not unheard of
10/13/09
And as far as straight to video sequels, not only was Toy Story 2 going to be one of those, but 3 as well. Fortunately Lasseter has a brain and not only put the kibosh on a TS2 dvd sequel he banned them outright from Disney when he took over animation there.
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I knew they were from Jim Varney commercials, but I had never seen them before... Good ol' Jim Varney...
10/13/09
One of my favorites growing up.
10/13/09
I not only miss Mr. Varney, I miss Braums now. Thanks for nothing NightElfMohawk!
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