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    Image of bonniegrrl bonniegrrl
    11/08/09

    In reply to SNL Gives Frankenstein The Moody Teen Film He Deserves
    Ya know, I would watch this movie if it was all about Frankie. Vampires need to move over for the REAL movie monsters. #firelight
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    11/08/09

    In reply to SNL Gives Frankenstein The Moody Teen Film He Deserves
    Funniest part of the show, and one of the best, most logical anti-Twitard things evar. #firelight
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    Image of golddiggersof2033 golddiggersof2033
    11/08/09

    In reply to SNL Gives Frankenstein The Moody Teen Film He Deserves
    Irish Rastabortionist! #firelight
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    Image of TheGreenRanger TheGreenRanger
    11/08/09

    In reply to SNL Gives Frankenstein The Moody Teen Film He Deserves
    taylor swift you blow my mind, you so fine, but damn girl, you ARE tall. Pretty good snl episode for the most part, i thought swift did alright in a few skits but for the most part...don't quit your day job, not that she ever would, since she's winning awards and all that, but uh, yea.
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    Image of gorehound gorehound
    11/08/09

    In reply to SNL Gives Frankenstein The Moody Teen Film He Deserves
    Go Frankie Go !!!! #firelight
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    Image of Chip Overclock Chip Overclock
    11/08/09

    In reply to SNL Gives Frankenstein The Moody Teen Film He Deserves
    Most of their digital shorts are barely more than taking a couple of the cast members through the costume department. But they really pulled out the stops on this one. I've seen hour long episodes of TV series with production values not as good as what I saw last night in this digital short: costumes, sets, makeup, soundtrack, special effects, etc. Taylor Swift was a better actress and comedian than a lot of guest hosts I've seen too. Kinda impressive. #firelight
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    Image of Log1c Log1c
    11/08/09

    In reply to SNL Gives Frankenstein The Moody Teen Film He Deserves
    I'll raise you a CollegeHumor original called Deleted "Twilight" Sex Scene. #firelight
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    11/08/09

    @Log1c: Oof. It's like the comedic gift that keeps on giving. #firelight
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    Image of GreyHammer GreyHammer
    11/08/09

    @Log1c: i see that and raise you a munn #firelight
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    Image of AshThePirate AshThePirate
    11/08/09

    @GreyHammer: Epic win. #firelight
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    11/08/09

    In reply to SNL Gives Frankenstein The Moody Teen Film He Deserves
    Great Digital Short I love it when SNL is actually funny, which is rare for me nowadays. #firelight
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    Image of Sunshineyness Sunshineyness
    11/05/09

    In reply to YA Authors Explain Everything — Even Twilight — In New York Tonight
    I can't recommend Libba Bray's Gemma Doyle books enough they are just so amazingly well written and have such a great feminist message with great atmosphere, gothic melodrama and girls doing magic.

    I'm in favor of books where girls do magic and have powers. I will read anything where girls do magic or have powers.

    Also, seriously, why all the hate on YA? There are so many great classic works of literature that are YA (Robert Cormier and Judy Blume come straight to mind as well as Robin McKinley's stuff).

    It's historical fiction not sci-fi/fant but I would also heartily recommend the last National Book Award Winner "What I Saw and Why I Lied" by Blundell (who's- fun fact- only other titles she's written were Star Wars books targeted for 9 year olds). It's flipping amazing.

    Another great war/historical one is Peet's "Tamar" which is a fantastic WW2 intrigue/spy novel. There's loads more but I'm prattling on...

    I'm just saying it's not all Twilight and Gossip Girl people.
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    Image of it must be bunnies it must be bunnies
    11/05/09

    In reply to YA Authors Explain Everything — Even Twilight — In New York Tonight
    I think that YA literature can be a good starting point for kids to give them the confidence to tackle books with more complicated themes.

    My daughter was reading a lot of YA but then she read some Margaret Atwood books and now she finds that much of the YA doesn't satisfy her anymore. I have begun to lend her my books that I think that she will enjoy and hopefully save myself a few dollars as well. #books
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    11/05/09

    In reply to YA Authors Explain Everything — Even Twilight — In New York Tonight
    Wow, what's with all the YA hate? There is a lot of bad YA out there, but there's a surprising amount of REALLY GOOD YA that I and a lot of adults I know are really into, and it's more than just dumbed-down adult sci-fi. #books
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    Image of MargaretMoony MargaretMoony
    11/05/09

    @bookling: Seriously, I used to work the YA section when I worked in a bookstore. It has some good stuff, y'all! It's not just "blah, blah, pretty vampire boys" there's depth and issues! #books
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    Image of Jeremy Tapsell Jeremy Tapsell
    11/05/09

    @bookling: (puts up hand) my name is Jeremy Tapsell, and I'm an adult who likes Young Adult fiction.

    The main problem I have, however, with most YA fiction is that it is written in a way that treats its audience like idoiots. Young people are not stupid. They may lack worldly experience, but they still love reading things that challenge the mind.

    In that sense, I find that literature aimed at that audience is much better when written by people who also write adult works. For example, Heinlan, Andre Norton, Orson Scott Card, Robert Jordan, Neil Gaiman (I know, I know this is looking a little too fantasy), Edith Nesbitt, C.S. Lewis, etcetera!

    When the author is an adult who only writes fiction for YA then we get filtered, usually publisher dictated, stories that are not didatic enough and they end up straying into the trashier, non challenging end of the spectrum. ESPECIALLY when it comes to sci fi. I am not refering to all published YA fiction here, but there seems to be a trend.

    YA sci fi readers, like myself when I was younger, will tend to go straight to the main stuff, because it doesn't pander to teenage cliches which I would posit most YA readers who like sci fi would find uniteresting and turn them off the story.

    So if we have more Adult Sci Fi writers writing for teenagers, then perhaps we might have more good YA sci fi, and less YA sci fi hate. #books
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    11/05/09

    In reply to YA Authors Explain Everything — Even Twilight — In New York Tonight
    When I was young enough for the Young Adult section, I mostly ignored it. The only books I remember reading from that section were Choose Your Own Adventure, Madeleine L'Engle's books, some of CS Lewis' Narnia books, and The Hobbit. I was reading Lord of the Rings when I was 11, Starship Troopers when I was 12 and Stranger in a Strange Land when I was 13 or 14. Then again, as a kid, my mom's bedtime stories included not only Winnie the Pooh but also Beowulf and Gawain and the Green Knight. #books
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    Image of Wookie1972 Wookie1972
    11/05/09

    @Bill-Lee: I have a similar story, although you can replace Tolkien and Heinlein with Douglas Adams and then Kurt Vonnegut. Shamefully, I never got around to reading the LOTR books until just before the movies came out (seriously). I do, however, remember really liking the Robert Asprin Myth books. Easy enough for a young person to read, yet "adult" enough to seem like something grownups would read. #books
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    Image of golddiggersof2033 golddiggersof2033
    11/05/09

    @Bill-Lee: I was way too intimidated by the serious sci-fi and fantasy when I was in the Young Adult category to do more than stick my toe in and run screaming away from Orson Scott Card. I would have killed to have the Where To Start With Young Adult Science Fiction back then.
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    Image of Wookie1972 Wookie1972
    11/05/09

    @golddiggersof2033: I used to recommend Ender's Game as a YA title, until I actually read it. I was stunned at how messed up it was (and I still am a little leery when people say it's their favourite book). #books
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    11/05/09

    @golddiggersof2033: I keep trying to read Orson Scott Card. Something about his work sort of rubs me the wrong way. Not that he's a bad writer, I just not sure that I like his work. #books
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    11/05/09

    @golddiggersof2033: I read a lot of the books on the Where to Start...list when I was a kid. I never realized they were "starter" books. #books
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    11/05/09

    @Bill-Lee: I met him when I was 13 (I won a fiction contest with a story named after a Lita Ford song!) and after that I kept trying to read him. I remember picking up one of his books specifically because there was a mermaid on the cover and struggling through about 30 pages with no mermaids and going back to Anne Rice in defeat. #books
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    11/05/09

    @Wookie1972: I'm adding it to my Goodreads now with a grain of salt. #books
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    11/05/09

    @Wookie1972: I keep seeing Ender's Game in the YA section of Border's...with Card's endorsement. #books
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    Image of Jeremy Tapsell Jeremy Tapsell
    11/05/09

    @Bill-Lee: Heinlein actually wrote a lot of YA fiction and 'Family' sci/fi in his early years, giving that up int the 60's for more adult fiction.

    I think kids who like sci fi tend to read up. That is, get straight into the meatier adult stuff, rather than the YA which they see as juvenile. Its not always true, as you mention a prime example of Enders Game, which I do look at as a YA novel, no matter its themes. It is exactly what YA sci fi should be! Decent and didactic! #books
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    Image of Bill-Lee Bill-Lee
    11/05/09

    @Jeremy Tapsell: You know, with a couple of exceptions, I totally skipped Heinlein's juvenile fiction. I remember reading have Space Suit Will Travel around the time I read Starship Troopers. ST was originally submitted as a juvenile novel but rejected by the publishers, so I guess, technically I've read two of his juvenile books. #books
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    11/05/09

    @Bill-Lee: Yeah, that's true about Starship Troopers. Which again, floors me... at least it wasn't Stranger... #books
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    Image of EdificeComplex EdificeComplex
    11/05/09

    In reply to YA Authors Explain Everything — Even Twilight — In New York Tonight
    There's an article in the Culture & Books section of the current American Prospect on the popularity of Twilight. The author's overall argument was that the "girliness" (her term) that's made Twilight a success has caused the series to be mocked by so-called hardcore sci-fi/fantasy geeks. She argues that Edward is so popular because he is not sexually threatening to the average teenage girl. This dynamic in turn holds no interest for the teenage boy and therefore results in the series being marginalized.

    It's an interesting read and I recommend it for those that get AP. Unfortunately I think you have to be a subscriber to access the online version of the article. #books
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    Image of Wookie1972 Wookie1972
    11/05/09

    @EdificeComplex: I don't think Twilight is exactly marginalized. It pretty much dominates the teen section at the store where I work. What is true, however, is that there is very little in the YA section for boys. Teen boys seem to read either a) novelizations of video and role playing games b) comic books c) adult science fiction and fantasy and d) sadly, nothing at all, with d being the largest group.

    I also read James Bond at the time because it was titillating, although now I can see that they are not the best for a young man whose images of women are being formed. I'm never sure what to recommend to teen boys. #books
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    11/05/09

    In reply to YA Authors Explain Everything — Even Twilight — In New York Tonight
    Ok so do they explain why all the heroines are beautiful girls who spend all their time moaning about how hard everything is while all the hot guys through them selves at the girl?
    "Oh woe is me. I am a beautiful young girl with a multitude of options for my future and all the hot boys want me. Life is just so hard. Excuse me while I pout is such a way that all the boys will come running."
    I have read several of these popular new YA books and none of them deal with war, self-harm, gender, existentialism and what little sex and drugs they deal with are so absurd at best that they make you want to burn the book. #books
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    11/05/09

    @LittleDragon: Darn it. It didn't take my edit.

    There are many exceptions to my disguised, which is aimed a books like Daniel X and Twilight. #books
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    Image of Purple Dave Purple Dave
    11/05/09

    In reply to YA Authors Explain Everything — Even Twilight — In New York Tonight
    Ooh, ooh, I have a question! With regards to Twilight, do they prefer to call them lamepires, or waaaahmpires? #books
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    Image of Howard Blair Howard Blair
    11/05/09

    @Purple Dave: The reason that Twilight's vampires are so "non-threatening" is that Stephenie Meyer is writing from her Mormon upbringing - "no wild thing without the wedding ring" - which means her guys are self-restrained and the girls are virtuous. Lame but true. #books
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    11/06/09

    @Howard Blair:
    So...lamepires it is? #books
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