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    Dallas' Eco-Community Could Be the Future of Urban Housing

    William Gibson's Bridge City in "Virtual Light" Could Become Real

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    Image of Klebert L. Hall Klebert L. Hall
    11/26/09

    In reply to Dallas' Eco-Community Could Be the Future of Urban Housing
    Lets hope it turns out well.

    Most of these "forward-thinking" government architectural projects wind up being objects of contempt twenty years down the road. A lot of public housing projects were built on similar ideals, for example.
    -Kle.
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    Image of thatblackgirl thatblackgirl
    11/26/09

    @Klebert L. Hall: I agree. Once it fails and the homeless and squatters take over, it'll be a nightmare. Then the city will have to waste a bunch of time in court to get permission to demolish it.
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    Image of Chuck Chuck
    11/25/09

    In reply to Dallas' Eco-Community Could Be the Future of Urban Housing
    It may be "architecture that's quickly realized and doesn't break the bank", but if it's in downtown Dallas, the land it's on certainly will do the bank-breaking all on its own.

    Putting a sustainable community downtown is a lot like dropping a fire extinguisher in the middle of a forest fire.
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    Image of sjct sjct
    11/25/09

    In reply to Dallas' Eco-Community Could Be the Future of Urban Housing
    You'd have to be a moutain goat to seed, weed and harvest those slopes! This design is beyond ridiculous.
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    Image of EdificeComplex EdificeComplex
    11/25/09

    @sjct: It looks like there are 3-4 vegetation terraces per floor level. I would imagine that each of them is accessible from the interior apartments. Not to mention the catwalk type ladders that are on each side of the exterior in picture 3.

    Edit: Even if you can't access the terraces from the interior they could be made wide enough to allow someone to walk along them. Basically an oversized balcony that runs the full length of each tower.
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    Image of sjct sjct
    11/26/09

    @EdificeComplex: I agree that the terraces *could* be made wide enough but in the illustrations they are not. In picture 2, the human figure near the top of one of these slopes clearly shows that the terrace is no wider than the steps going up the sides.

    Now if, as you speculate, these stepped terraces are actually more like window boxes that can be accessed from inside then, this design becomes slightly more practical. I much prefer the idea of having access to a garden balcony but that wouldn't create these dramatic building shapes.

    The point of my comment was not to oppose the concept but to point out the lack of consideration for practical gardening requirements.
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    Image of TotalFanGirl TotalFanGirl
    11/25/09

    In reply to Dallas' Eco-Community Could Be the Future of Urban Housing
    Okay, this looks, at first glance, like the remains of a once great city that is now being taken over by the surrounding vegetation. I definitely don't want to live someplace that looks like it's an abandoned factory.
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    Image of hill.rat hill.rat
    11/25/09

    @TotalFanGirl: One might say that's a feature, not a flaw: it's definitely an evocative, emotionally substantive space. Of course, this is coming from someone who lives in a (converted) abandoned factory several blocks from where this project is going in, so take with NaCl.
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    Image of namanintx namanintx
    11/25/09

    In reply to Dallas' Eco-Community Could Be the Future of Urban Housing
    Good idea, but does it have to be so ugly.
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    Image of Jassen Jassen
    11/25/09

    In reply to Dallas' Eco-Community Could Be the Future of Urban Housing
    Are we taking bets on when the first Dope plant will be found ?
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    Image of Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H. Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.
    11/25/09

    @Jassen: Before it's completed? Certainly before anyone moves in.
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    Image of Ruthless, If you let me Ruthless, If you let me
    11/25/09

    In reply to Dallas' Eco-Community Could Be the Future of Urban Housing
    I Like it. Please bring it to San Angeles.
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    Image of KaneFeldman KaneFeldman
    09/15/09

    In reply to William Gibson's Bridge City in "Virtual Light" Could Become Real


    I suggest cutting the idea down to size, recycle the cantilever section and build a park on the causeway.

    I'm a horticulturalist, I would sign up in a heartbeat. During the 1990s I was employed by an industrial historian, doing private research on Bay Area infrastructure from the gold rush to the present and I wrote the following letter promoting this idea to the Berkeley Daily Planet in 2006.... (Please ignore the idea of a "backup bridge.")

    9.01.2006

    Berkeley Daily Planet
    Save the old San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge!
    BAY BRIDGE

    Editors, Daily Planet:

    Now that the bids for the final section of the new eastern span of the Bay Bridge are being considered, perhaps we should start a campaign to preserve the existing eastern span, for logistic as well as historical reasons. It would be a backup bridge in the event the new one is a failure and it would be a nice place to walk or ride bicycles and picnic. Saving the old bridge
    would be a nice homage to the builders of the 1930s and a prudent effort perhaps, considering the problems we’ve had building a new one.

    Hank Chapot
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    Image of MarieChthonius MarieChthonius
    09/15/09

    In reply to William Gibson's Bridge City in "Virtual Light" Could Become Real
    The bridge is being replaced is because it's seismically unstable. It's already slated to be torn down. It will not be retrofitted. It will not be any sort of 'community' or park. Adding homes on the bridge would put more weight on it than the cars that cross it now. If it does collapse or fall apart, it would potentially damage the new bridge, too. Because of the proximity of the old bridge to the new bridge, you'd have to be off your nut to want to live on it, anyway. You're essentially living 20 feet from a busy freeway, arguably the busiest bridge in the US if not the world.

    Also, as someone else mentioned, that span of bridge is miles long. It's not like some dinky foot bridge in Podunk, France. There would be no western approach to the bridge to get to a 'bicycle community' anyway, you'd have to enter from the Oakland side.

    As for the new bridge being ugly, it's not done yet. Give it a chance. The single-point suspension segment will give it the iconic look you all seek. Besides, simple bridges can be just as iconic as elaborate ones. Look at the Coronado bridge in San Diego.
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    Image of BadUncle BadUncle
    09/15/09

    In reply to William Gibson's Bridge City in "Virtual Light" Could Become Real
    They could get around earthquake dangers by simply moving the bridge / community to Lake Havasu.
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    Image of OrenRhadamanthys OrenRhadamanthys
    09/15/09

    In reply to William Gibson's Bridge City in "Virtual Light" Could Become Real
    Has anyone noticed that the renderings are remarkably similar to Moshe Safdie's Habitat '67, built in Montreal? Seriously, image search it...
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    Image of Boas_MC Boas_MC
    09/15/09

    In reply to William Gibson's Bridge City in "Virtual Light" Could Become Real
    Having walked along the High Line in NYC not too long ago, I have to say that turning portions of the bridge into a park is pretty appealing.

    That being said, of course the seismic issues seem pretty daunting. Does anyone know of a cost estimate for retrofitting the old span?
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    Image of robomiller robomiller
    09/16/09

    @Boas_MC: I don't know the cost, but I thought the point was that it made more sense to just build a new bridge than try to retrofit the old one. So if it's not even practical to retrofit it to make it safe for cars I don't see how it could make sense to retrofit it to make it safe to live on.
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    Image of Boas_MC Boas_MC
    09/16/09

    @robomiller: That said, I'm curious as to what the cost actually would have been. Who knows? It might be within ol' Bill Gates's financial means...
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    Image of SaramaFazoole SaramaFazoole
    09/15/09

    In reply to William Gibson's Bridge City in "Virtual Light" Could Become Real
    Earthquakes are problem, but my firth thought is, if they're going to turn the top into a park, then where are they going to put the access roads to get furniture and groceries and the like to the homes? all foot/bike communities are all very well, but A) that bridge, I believe, is really long and B) moving a queen sized bed by bike is a pain.

    Great idea in theory though.
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    Image of Boas_MC Boas_MC
    09/15/09

    @SaramaFazoole: Maybe they can just build a giant conveyor belt running from an Ikea on Treasure Island.
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    Image of solOptimus solOptimus
    09/15/09

    @Boas_MC: Niven's slidewalks anyone?
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    Image of PearlPeleus PearlPeleus
    09/15/09

    In reply to William Gibson's Bridge City in "Virtual Light" Could Become Real
    Bridge cities are not a new thing. They were abundant in Paris, France dating more than 1,500 years ago, for example. But i like the idea of a new suburbia between San Francisco and Oakland.
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    Image of RosaliaDardanus RosaliaDardanus
    09/15/09

    In reply to William Gibson's Bridge City in "Virtual Light" Could Become Real
    The new bridge is quite ugly. talk about technological development vs. aesthetic.
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    Image of Boas_MC Boas_MC
    09/15/09

    @RosaliaDardanus: I wouldn't exactly give the old span high aesthetic marks either. But I agree they could have made the new span prettier, more iconic, less L.A.-freeway-over-water-ish.
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