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Most of these "forward-thinking" government architectural projects wind up being objects of contempt twenty years down the road. A lot of public housing projects were built on similar ideals, for example.
-Kle.
@Klebert L. Hall: I agree. Once it fails and the homeless and squatters take over, it'll be a nightmare. Then the city will have to waste a bunch of time in court to get permission to demolish it.
It may be "architecture that's quickly realized and doesn't break the bank", but if it's in downtown Dallas, the land it's on certainly will do the bank-breaking all on its own.
Putting a sustainable community downtown is a lot like dropping a fire extinguisher in the middle of a forest fire.
@sjct: It looks like there are 3-4 vegetation terraces per floor level. I would imagine that each of them is accessible from the interior apartments. Not to mention the catwalk type ladders that are on each side of the exterior in picture 3.
Edit: Even if you can't access the terraces from the interior they could be made wide enough to allow someone to walk along them. Basically an oversized balcony that runs the full length of each tower.
@EdificeComplex: I agree that the terraces *could* be made wide enough but in the illustrations they are not. In picture 2, the human figure near the top of one of these slopes clearly shows that the terrace is no wider than the steps going up the sides.
Now if, as you speculate, these stepped terraces are actually more like window boxes that can be accessed from inside then, this design becomes slightly more practical. I much prefer the idea of having access to a garden balcony but that wouldn't create these dramatic building shapes.
The point of my comment was not to oppose the concept but to point out the lack of consideration for practical gardening requirements.
Okay, this looks, at first glance, like the remains of a once great city that is now being taken over by the surrounding vegetation. I definitely don't want to live someplace that looks like it's an abandoned factory.
@TotalFanGirl: One might say that's a feature, not a flaw: it's definitely an evocative, emotionally substantive space. Of course, this is coming from someone who lives in a (converted) abandoned factory several blocks from where this project is going in, so take with NaCl.
I suggest cutting the idea down to size, recycle the cantilever section and build a park on the causeway.
I'm a horticulturalist, I would sign up in a heartbeat. During the 1990s I was employed by an industrial historian, doing private research on Bay Area infrastructure from the gold rush to the present and I wrote the following letter promoting this idea to the Berkeley Daily Planet in 2006.... (Please ignore the idea of a "backup bridge.")
9.01.2006
Berkeley Daily Planet
Save the old San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge!
BAY BRIDGE
Editors, Daily Planet:
Now that the bids for the final section of the new eastern span of the Bay Bridge are being considered, perhaps we should start a campaign to preserve the existing eastern span, for logistic as well as historical reasons. It would be a backup bridge in the event the new one is a failure and it would be a nice place to walk or ride bicycles and picnic. Saving the old bridge
would be a nice homage to the builders of the 1930s and a prudent effort perhaps, considering the problems we’ve had building a new one.
The bridge is being replaced is because it's seismically unstable. It's already slated to be torn down. It will not be retrofitted. It will not be any sort of 'community' or park. Adding homes on the bridge would put more weight on it than the cars that cross it now. If it does collapse or fall apart, it would potentially damage the new bridge, too. Because of the proximity of the old bridge to the new bridge, you'd have to be off your nut to want to live on it, anyway. You're essentially living 20 feet from a busy freeway, arguably the busiest bridge in the US if not the world.
Also, as someone else mentioned, that span of bridge is miles long. It's not like some dinky foot bridge in Podunk, France. There would be no western approach to the bridge to get to a 'bicycle community' anyway, you'd have to enter from the Oakland side.
As for the new bridge being ugly, it's not done yet. Give it a chance. The single-point suspension segment will give it the iconic look you all seek. Besides, simple bridges can be just as iconic as elaborate ones. Look at the Coronado bridge in San Diego.
@Boas_MC: I don't know the cost, but I thought the point was that it made more sense to just build a new bridge than try to retrofit the old one. So if it's not even practical to retrofit it to make it safe for cars I don't see how it could make sense to retrofit it to make it safe to live on.
Earthquakes are problem, but my firth thought is, if they're going to turn the top into a park, then where are they going to put the access roads to get furniture and groceries and the like to the homes? all foot/bike communities are all very well, but A) that bridge, I believe, is really long and B) moving a queen sized bed by bike is a pain.
Bridge cities are not a new thing. They were abundant in Paris, France dating more than 1,500 years ago, for example. But i like the idea of a new suburbia between San Francisco and Oakland.
@RosaliaDardanus: I wouldn't exactly give the old span high aesthetic marks either. But I agree they could have made the new span prettier, more iconic, less L.A.-freeway-over-water-ish.
11/26/09
Most of these "forward-thinking" government architectural projects wind up being objects of contempt twenty years down the road. A lot of public housing projects were built on similar ideals, for example.
-Kle.
11/26/09
11/25/09
Putting a sustainable community downtown is a lot like dropping a fire extinguisher in the middle of a forest fire.
11/25/09
11/25/09
Edit: Even if you can't access the terraces from the interior they could be made wide enough to allow someone to walk along them. Basically an oversized balcony that runs the full length of each tower.
11/26/09
Now if, as you speculate, these stepped terraces are actually more like window boxes that can be accessed from inside then, this design becomes slightly more practical. I much prefer the idea of having access to a garden balcony but that wouldn't create these dramatic building shapes.
The point of my comment was not to oppose the concept but to point out the lack of consideration for practical gardening requirements.
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09/15/09
I suggest cutting the idea down to size, recycle the cantilever section and build a park on the causeway.
I'm a horticulturalist, I would sign up in a heartbeat. During the 1990s I was employed by an industrial historian, doing private research on Bay Area infrastructure from the gold rush to the present and I wrote the following letter promoting this idea to the Berkeley Daily Planet in 2006.... (Please ignore the idea of a "backup bridge.")
9.01.2006
Berkeley Daily Planet
Save the old San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge!
BAY BRIDGE
Editors, Daily Planet:
Now that the bids for the final section of the new eastern span of the Bay Bridge are being considered, perhaps we should start a campaign to preserve the existing eastern span, for logistic as well as historical reasons. It would be a backup bridge in the event the new one is a failure and it would be a nice place to walk or ride bicycles and picnic. Saving the old bridge
would be a nice homage to the builders of the 1930s and a prudent effort perhaps, considering the problems we’ve had building a new one.
Hank Chapot
09/15/09
Also, as someone else mentioned, that span of bridge is miles long. It's not like some dinky foot bridge in Podunk, France. There would be no western approach to the bridge to get to a 'bicycle community' anyway, you'd have to enter from the Oakland side.
As for the new bridge being ugly, it's not done yet. Give it a chance. The single-point suspension segment will give it the iconic look you all seek. Besides, simple bridges can be just as iconic as elaborate ones. Look at the Coronado bridge in San Diego.
09/15/09
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09/15/09
That being said, of course the seismic issues seem pretty daunting. Does anyone know of a cost estimate for retrofitting the old span?
09/16/09
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09/15/09
Great idea in theory though.
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