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gorehound
04:09 PM

In reply to Does V Mean We Love The '80s Too Much?
YARM is easy to explain.
NO IDEAS + GREED = YARM
i don't watch remakes !!!
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Wookie1972
04:08 PM

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If they remake any 80s movies, they should remake this one. I'm totally serious.
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WLDaywalker
03:50 PM

In reply to Does V Mean We Love The '80s Too Much?
Leave the electronica out of this. If the bassline of the music playing in my car drops below 120bpm, it...will...explode!

Seriously though, while I'm no fan of the autotune, I've got no problem with today's country sounding more pop-y and the hip hop sounding more trip hop. Much more tolerable.
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cylon_conspiracy
03:49 PM

In reply to Does V Mean We Love The '80s Too Much?
I'm a kid of the 80s so it's hard to not be biased that it was the best decade, all my first impressions, all my tastes and interests were formed in that decade.

Is there something "special" about it? I think so. It is the beginning of the "electronic" generation. One thing I love about listening to music from that era (the synth stuff, like depeche mode, my favorite band) is how modern it sounds... it really hasn't dated all that much. Dance/synth music is pretty much the same now as it was back then, it's just easier for more people to make. The actual beat, the rhythms that are used, seem to be inherent to the technology itself, and not the era they were first discovered. Sort of like Jazz... it's always jazz but its always "current". Meaning, that when I hear it I couldn't really tell you what decade it came from (but I am not really a jazz completist--I am an 80s music completist though). That's my take at least.

As far as the 80s revival in general, all the people who grew up in that era are now the ones writing the shows and creating the content, and they're resourcing their childhoods. But yeah, I think the quality actually was better back then.
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Wookie1972
03:48 PM

In reply to Does V Mean We Love The '80s Too Much?
I'm afraid I haven't really gotten into the new V, however.
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Wookie1972
03:47 PM

In reply to Does V Mean We Love The '80s Too Much?
Having lived through several decades of 60s nostalgia, I say it's about damn time.

Funny enough, I like Mad Men. But that was the *early* 60s.
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GrossmanDavid
04:00 PM

@Wookie1972: Mad Men's unique, I think. While there's definitely a nostalgic aspect to it (it's hard not to want drink as much or dress as well as Don), it's an original story created by Matthew Weiner and Co.

Things like V or auto-tune want to take themes relevant in the 80's and say, this is what is happening right now. And a lot of people who don't even remember the 80's are buying into that.
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Wookie1972
04:05 PM

@GrossmanDavid: I just can't get my head around what the new V is into; I had the exact same problem with BSG. I know everybody tells me it's great, but I couldn't get past Starbuck being a woman and the Cylons being mostly undercover.

Before "Reboot" the usual term was "Re-imagining," and there were a lot of failed re-imaginings (PLanet Of the Apes stands out). I don't know if it's anything new.
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GrossmanDavid
04:21 PM

@Wookie1972: The idea of a reboot is definitely not anything new, but I do think there is something specific about this moment, and this decade in general, that is drawn to 80's. And I think it's more then "I Love the 80's" pure nostalgia stuff. People are drawn to stories that deal with increased technology in their lives these days, and the 80's dealt with that in ways previous decades hadn't (that's how I'd explain the failure of AMC's Prisoner and the Bionic Woman reboot, anyway).

And if it convinces you any, new female Starbuck is more of a man then I could ever hope to be.
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Wookie1972
04:46 PM

@GrossmanDavid: Yeah, but at this point it's, what, four seasons that I have to watch, plus I already know that the ending sucks.
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CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard)
03:13 PM

In reply to Does V Mean We Love The '80s Too Much?
You cant love the 80's too much. It was an era that gave us some really random shit. But it also got our imagination flowing!

Ive had this conversation with so many people around the 30-35 age range. Many who have kids. Its very simple, back in the 80's we had imagination. We had the A-Team, Street Hawk, Airwolf, loads of cool 80's cartoons like Thundercats and Mysterious citys of gold, we had cool films that had just broke the mold with CGI...but they also had heart and a half descent script!!

I would like to think that this era had some real breakthrough imaginative stuff!! Most people who work on computer games, or some of the younger directors all grew up with this kind of influence. It really opened my mind and I went on to study design and film. It didnt work out that way for me....but i'll never forget what pushed me to follow my gut.

If you take at least 80% of cartoons and toys from this era right now. They are complete bollocks. Faceless dolls and weird tripy shit. Im talking about funky crap like 'In the night garden' or 'Barney'. This stuff is just brain freeze for kids. Sit them in front of the TV and watch them loose braincells day in and day out! The 80's generation had new and cool stuff to excite the mind. We thrived off this and then went away from the TV and did stuff that pushed or imaginations further.

Kids TV today is crap. But if you look at something like 'Ben 10' (a show not to far from an 80's cartoon), it does extremly well in its viewing figures and its toy range! Why?? because kids want brain stimulation..not the fuckin Teletubbies going 'Oh oh'!!!

I say the 80's rocked fuckin socks. Too much love?? Nah.......I want more love bestowed on this era than a Roman orgy!!!!
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cylon_conspiracy
03:56 PM

@CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard): Plus, back then we had fewer choices so the choices we had were allowed to grow and improve. Today, you get two episodes and syfy says "V deathwatch?"
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Wookie1972
04:07 PM

@CoffinDodger (If the typos crap. Blame my keyboard): Even in terms of novels and comics, the 80s were pretty good. The first Cyberpunk books, Heavy Metal and Epic magazines, Judge Dredd making it to North America, American Flagg!, Frank Miller's Ronin, the early, gritty Ninja Turtless.... anything else?
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
02:50 PM

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I'll take remakes and rehashes over the nostalgia alternative which is pathetically holding on to the piece of pie you were once given. What I mean by that is at least we are taking things we loved in our youth and trying to deconstruct them or at least do them better than they had been done before (not always to success).

Take a look at what our parents had to deal with. Marilyn Monroe and James Dean electronic posters, I Love Lucy bags, Vegas impersonators, PBS holding on to the idea that anyone wants to hear anything new from Herman's Hermits or The Righteous Brothers. We at least have the goddamned common courtesy to watch one hit wonders where they belong... in rehab.

And the things that were remade were at best fuzzy carbon copies of the original with new actors and a bigger screen a'la the Flintstones or Addams Family movies (did love the
Addams ones though) but more often than not comedic "fuck you's" to the original like I Spy or Starsky and Hutch.

While not original at least this new generation says... wait, there was something about this that was good, worthwhile and we liked if we can look past the era and production values. They didn't look at the tin can suits and haircuts of the original BSG and say man, let's make that a comedy. No, they said this is about a genocide and exodus... let's look at that.

So after brilliant new things like "Kings" get canned, if my choice is between awful shit like Cougar Town, or decent remakes of 80s shows... I'll take the remake.
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Communist Pope
02:49 PM

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Having previously worked in the corporate end of the comic book/collectibles industry for nearly a decade, I personally think a lot of it is driven by people wanting to buy back, or at least revisit, their childhoods. Childhood, for a lot of people, is a time when they felt happy and secure, and didn't have any of the real world pressures that we start to accumulate so quickly after entering our teens and especially adulthood. So it makes sense from a psychological standpoint that surrounding one's self with icons from one's childhood can help bring you back to those happier times.

Nostalgia for '80s properties and products has been high since the turn of the century -- not coincidentally, the same length of time since people who grew up in the '80s started to become adults and got the coinciding increase in income that often comes along with that. And this effect wasn't just present in the '70s and now again in the '00s. '70s nostalgia was rampant throughout the '90s, and I definitely recall a lot of '60s-themed dances and parties organized by young adult teachers and kid-focused volunteers when I was an older kid/teen in the '80s.

Bottom line is, if you want a sound investment, start buying up all the vintage -- and still relatively cheap -- Mighty Morphing Power Rangers toys, etc. you can get your hands on. Because the children of the '90s are going to start getting a lot more disposable income any day now. Economy willing. And no, I won't be covering any bets if '90s kids become the first generation since at least the '70s to not try to bring their childhoods with them.
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
02:53 PM

@Communist Pope: um... excuse me... it's Mighty MorPHIN no G. GAWD!!!
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Communist Pope
02:56 PM

@Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.: Sorry, I was a '70s kid and have no time nor desire to keep up with the hip lingo of modern whippersnappers. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to sort my "priceless" collection of Kenner's '90s Star Wars action figures.
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
03:01 PM

@Communist Pope: Oh, the ones where it looks like Luke and Han were bench pressing at the gym a bit too long? Yeah they're all in a box downstairs with my McFarlane toys.. One of these days I'll be glad I never opened those Wetworks figures.
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Adah
03:08 PM

@Communist Pope: My toddler cousin used to run around in the mid-90's with a cape, singing, "Go, go Power-Batman!" Now there's a pitch for you in ten years if I've ever heard one.
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Dr Emilio Lizardo
02:46 PM

In reply to Does V Mean We Love The '80s Too Much?
I think you are overthinking this. There is always nostalgia for the past and it is usually for about 20 - 30 years ago. The people who drive this are usually about 30 - 40 (give or take) and want to recreate something they grew up with. People this age have been in their profession 10 - 20 years, they have done some things, paid some dues, had some success and now have creative freedom from those that greenlight the projects.

It just seems to me that people this age are the people that drive the entertainment industry - especially the visual ones of TV and movies. What are they supposed to be nostalgic for? Things 5 or 10 years ago are to recent and they don't rememeber the 1950's real well.
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GrossmanDavid
02:59 PM

@Dr Emilio Lizardo: Agreed, but I think what makes this peculiar is that it goes beyond TV/movie remakes, even thought that's what I mainly focus on in the post. The explosion of auto-tune in popular music, for example, strikes me as not nostalgic, but a reworking of cultural shifts that first emerged in the 80's.

I'm not saying that T-Pain is an anthropologist, but the fact that music that so de-emphasizes the human is really, really popular in both time periods is something curious and worth exploring, I think.
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Dr Emilio Lizardo
03:11 PM

@GrossmanDavid: You have a point, but I think harmonizers (auto tune) are another issue. If you can take attractive, marketable people and make them sound just like ugly people, it's a marketers dream. It also gives you leverage over the talent. If Taylor Swift acts up, she knows you can find another pretty girl and harmonize her just as well.
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♠ Final ♠
02:43 PM

In reply to Does V Mean We Love The '80s Too Much?
Looking ahead to Avatar and Tr2n I'd say Austin is on to something.

No Buckaroo Bonzai sequel means we don't love the 80s enough. The comics don't count.
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ThisDudeRufus
02:34 PM

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I weep for the 2010's, which will apparently be obsessed with the 90's. Plaid and Grunge, shoulder pads and economic growth.
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EdificeComplex
02:50 PM

@ThisDudeRufus: I suppose that means we're going to get a "Saved By the Bell" movie at some point.
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
02:54 PM

@EdificeComplex: You don't count the Wedding in Vegas movie?
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EdificeComplex
03:05 PM

@Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.: Jessie was no where to be found for most of that "movie" so it doesn't count. And now I've revealed too much in that I know who the Saved by the Bell characters are.
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Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.
03:26 PM

@EdificeComplex: Well to be fair they were making a much much better movie about Jessie in Vegas at that time.
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EdificeComplex
03:34 PM

@Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.: True, that movie revealed much more about her character.
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AmishJohn
02:27 PM

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We had Reaganomics, Wall Street, and MTV. Gas prices were reasonable. If people were worrying, it was about Global Cooling. There was no reality TV. We had Johnny on TV before bed. kids could actually use playground equipment, get dirty, and get bumps and scrapes without being dunked in Purell and wrapped in foam. Political Correctness hadn't taken root; it was permissible to be 'gifted' or 'advanced', and you actually had to accomplish something to get a trophy. There was no DHS, you could actually go to the gate at the airport without a ticket and a cavity search. NASA was flying its shiny new toys. Star Wars I - III hadn't been filmed. There was no War On Terror or War In Iraq; the Soviets were the ones mired in Afgahnistan. Concert tickets cost less than a mortgage payment.

That's why I loved the 80's.
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Chip Overclock
02:30 PM

@AmishJohn: And Duran Duran.
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AmishJohn
03:19 PM

@Chip Overclock: I haven't decided which column they go in yet.
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Chip Overclock
03:33 PM

@AmishJohn: Dude! "Electric Barbarelle"!

[www.youtube.com]

What's not to love?
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ManchuCandidate
02:21 PM

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Or it could be that Networks only have 20 or so years worth of stories and need to recycle them.

If we are supposed to be reliving the 80s then where's "Misfits of Science"?
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ProfessorSara
02:30 PM

@ManchuCandidate: Well, we're getting a "Red Dawn" remake. Will that work?
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gorehound
11/20/09

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star trek quote makes sense.more intelligence less popcorn fodder
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