If JJ Abrams had just said on "Entertainment Tonight" "well, for purposes of this film, we're just pretending that the events in Generations never happened," I would have been ok with that.
To those of you who have been making disparaging remarks about William Shatner, the man is stilling working, winning Emmys and is nearly 80 years old! Give the man a break. Some of these are hidden comments so I didn't respond directly to them to keep them hidden.
I for one would have loved to hear his voice over the closing credits of the movie.
well it's too bad there's never been any conceits for bringing people back to life, or creating a duplicate organism, or replicating the consciousness of an individual into a clone or android or something, anywhere to be found in science fiction or anything like that.
Kind of odd considering that all the big weaknesses of the film came from trying to to fit into continuity. It was a reboot; it didn't need Spock Prime, Kirk Prime or Nero.
@Cory Gross: I agree. I loved the film, but still feel that it could have been just as good, or even better, without Spock Prime, and time travel, and trying to tie it into original continuity. I guess I do, on some level, appreciate the fact that they wanted to show some "respect" to fans of the originals, but they should have just said, we're starting over. Period.
It`s new timeline ,new storyline and now Vulcans are endangered species. Whether people like it or not , the crew of the enterprise is on a new path, Now we just wait and see how new the path is .
BS !!! For someone to state how they didnot ruin Canon let me say your movie has destroyed all of Gene's work givng us a new timeline but wait...........
if there is one thing i really dislike is those out there who state "The original timeline is still there it is not destroyed".
for all purposes this new trek is what you will get for more trek.you will never evr see the old timeline again.
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The BEST way to have gotten Shatner into the new Star Trek was to simply have *him* read the "These are the voyages. . . " voiceover at the end of the film instead of Nimoy.
It would have been subtle (something alien to our beloved Shat, heh), but all the geeks would have gotten it, and loved it.
Still surprised they didn't do that, it seemed like such a no-brainer.
Oh, it's easy. Nero tests his planet-destroying gizmo by blowing up the El-Aurian homeworld. Then he goes to Vulcan. No El-Aurians, no Soran to build a rickety bridge for Kirk to fall off of, no El-Aurian refugees who need to be incompetently rescued by the Enterprise B. The abomination that is "Generations" gets effaced from the timeline. All this could be accomplished by adding the line "Nero tests his planet-destroying device by blowing up the El-Aurian homeworld. Then he went to Vulcan" to Old Spock's ice-cave narrative dump. Hell, you could do it with an overdub.
@350z-Racer: It's never established where it is. Why are we nit-picking distances now? In Star Trek: The Motion Picture, Scotty says the new Enterprise engines are so fast they can get to Vulcan in "just four days." In the JJ Abrams movie, it seems to take about 20 minutes to get from Earth to Vulcan. It takes as long to get to Vulcan as it takes to walk from sick bay to the bridge. In STVI, Kirk doesn't even have time to unpack before the Enterprise goes from Earth to the edge of Federation space. Star Trek has never been consistent about distances.
Isn't Delta Vega on the edge of the galaxy, not right next to Vulcan? If the script can move Delta Vega from the edge of the galaxy to the heart of the Federation, it can move the El-Aurians around.
This is bullshit because the only reason this dumb time travel plot exists in the first place is to put one of the biggest stars of the franchise in it to make sure the old fans showed up. Pretending you couldn't "logically" fit William Shatner in is a joke when almost nothing that happened in your film was logical, from the destruction of Romulus to building starships on the ground in Iowa.
@AngriestGeek: I have a good reason not to feature Shatner: having a fat guy who's a parody of himself hamming it up on screen would have been silly. Is that enough logic for ya?
OMG! They built a ship on the gound! MOM! Bring me more cheetos!
If they had returned Old Spock to his proper point in the timeline, they could have had Old Kirk waiting for him (perhaps they were meeting for coffee). Kirk would still be alive in the new timeline due to changes in the past. Would have made a cool bit to have after the end credits.
They could have done flashbacks, I mean flash forwards, or is it backs? To Spock prime it would be backs.
Personally I hated the way they killed Kirk in Generations and anything they could do to make me believe that never happened would be a good thing.
@LittleDragon: Kirk's fate is totally up in the air now. This new timeline is kind of like what happened in Yesterday's Enterprise - except that this time the timeline wasn't "corrected".
I'm glad Shatner wasn't in the film. In fact, it actually annoyed me that Nimoy got to say the whole "space, the final frontier" bit at the end. ...this wasn't Nimoy's film. It wasn't Shatner's. There was no need for a "passing of the torch". It was Chris Pine's Enterprise. It was his show, and he should have said that at the end [shrugs].
@Twisk: I also thought it was lame having Nimoy say the phrase at the end, and I don't even like Pine's Kirk. But the fact is, he's the captain now and we've already heard Nimoy say it in at least one previous film.
I may be halfway into this loverly bottle of Cabernet, but IF we accept that all canon events have changed since Nero fiddled with the timeline in New Trek, then doesn’t that mean that events like Captain Kirk dying on Veridian III in Star Trek Generations are no longer valid. That Kirk’s death at the hands of a script riddled with plot holes and a producer and a writing team whose disregard and disrespect for the character was palpable, that that moment . . . is no longer true. Just. Didn’t. Happen.
Therefore, ergo, and in conclusion, I submit that William Shatner is ALIVE AND WELL as Captain Kirk in the Trek 2.0 universe. Well, as the older Captain Kirk, Chris Pine when he grows up, clears up his acne, maybe gets a nose job, not to get personal. (We can also happily conclude that Picard got his ass handed to him by Dr. McDowell and that a planet of people we never get to see or sympathize with get blasted by a extremely fast-acting probe.)
In fact, that whole JayJay Abrams’ claim that it would be hard to shoehorn in Shatner now goes out the porthole, since the whole Wagon Train to the Stars trip has been begun again. So Shatner could have been in the movie, since there was time traveling out the ying yang, anyway. They might have been able to fast forward to the future, or even frame the movie with Kirk looking back on the (rebooted) story of his life.
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I for one would have loved to hear his voice over the closing credits of the movie.
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if there is one thing i really dislike is those out there who state "The original timeline is still there it is not destroyed".
for all purposes this new trek is what you will get for more trek.you will never evr see the old timeline again.
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It would have been subtle (something alien to our beloved Shat, heh), but all the geeks would have gotten it, and loved it.
Still surprised they didn't do that, it seemed like such a no-brainer.
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So Pine Kirk may not die in Generations, but Shat Kirk did.
Now they could bring back Shatner to play the future version of Pine Kirk, but it seems kind of silly since it wouldn't be the same Kirk we know...
I'm getting a headache.
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Isn't Delta Vega on the edge of the galaxy, not right next to Vulcan? If the script can move Delta Vega from the edge of the galaxy to the heart of the Federation, it can move the El-Aurians around.
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OMG! They built a ship on the gound! MOM! Bring me more cheetos!
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Personally I hated the way they killed Kirk in Generations and anything they could do to make me believe that never happened would be a good thing.
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I'm glad Shatner wasn't in the film. In fact, it actually annoyed me that Nimoy got to say the whole "space, the final frontier" bit at the end. ...this wasn't Nimoy's film. It wasn't Shatner's. There was no need for a "passing of the torch". It was Chris Pine's Enterprise. It was his show, and he should have said that at the end [shrugs].
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New-Kirk on the other hand, well that's a different matter entirely.
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I may be halfway into this loverly bottle of Cabernet, but IF we accept that all canon events have changed since Nero fiddled with the timeline in New Trek, then doesn’t that mean that events like Captain Kirk dying on Veridian III in Star Trek Generations are no longer valid. That Kirk’s death at the hands of a script riddled with plot holes and a producer and a writing team whose disregard and disrespect for the character was palpable, that that moment . . . is no longer true. Just. Didn’t. Happen.
Therefore, ergo, and in conclusion, I submit that William Shatner is ALIVE AND WELL as Captain Kirk in the Trek 2.0 universe. Well, as the older Captain Kirk, Chris Pine when he grows up, clears up his acne, maybe gets a nose job, not to get personal. (We can also happily conclude that Picard got his ass handed to him by Dr. McDowell and that a planet of people we never get to see or sympathize with get blasted by a extremely fast-acting probe.)
In fact, that whole JayJay Abrams’ claim that it would be hard to shoehorn in Shatner now goes out the porthole, since the whole Wagon Train to the Stars trip has been begun again. So Shatner could have been in the movie, since there was time traveling out the ying yang, anyway. They might have been able to fast forward to the future, or even frame the movie with Kirk looking back on the (rebooted) story of his life.