I'll tell you why Carnahan was brought in for rewrites: because JMS, much as I love him, probably wrote an unfilmable script
Or rather, he wrote a script that the studio would refuse to invest in. Judging from the excerpts that made their way online a few years back, I don't think this is too far off.
It seemed like a great script that would have been an amazing movie. But it's a hard sell, because all that shit requires a mondo budget that I don't think the studio wants to commit to.
Quantum of Solace biggest problem was that the entire premise hinged on the weakest part of Casino Royale: Bond's romance with Vesper Lynd which felt forced and rushed. So it was a bit of a stretch to actually care or believe in Bond's motivations for the entire film, which ended up sinking the entire dramatic arc for the movie before it even began.
Also the action scenes sucked balls. They hired the dude that choreographs the shaky cam action scenes in the Bourne movies. Like other filmmakers, they forgot the only reason people accepted shaky cam in those movies was cause it fit with the guerrilla-style tone of Greengrass's direction. And going back to Casino Royale, it was even more jarring since we were used to traditional wide angle action scenes.
it's not the director of quantum that left you with a bad taste in your mouth, it was the editor. there was nothing wrong with the direction in that film.
@AvenueOfTheStrongest: that's like saying the director can veto anything the props manager does. i mean sure he can throw his hands in the air and say 'this is shit, do it again and do it right' but he can't do it every single time he doesn't like something. well, he could, but no film will ever have the time or the budget to indulge him every time.
Quantum of Solace, in my opinion, suffers from following Casino Royale. It's not really a bad movie - I actually liked it quite a bit. But it's nowhere near as good as Casino Royale.
@Nivenus: The main problem with it was that it didn't have a head or tail to its story. It was a middle part advertised as a stand alone feature, and both the action and conclusion were unsatisfying. It was a fraction of a story instead of a story in its own right, and not in a good way, like the Empire Strikes Back or Two Towers.
Whether or not every movie the man makes suffers from similar problems, I have no idea.
@Lightice: but even Empire and Towers had a clear cut climax and a victory, even if it was only part of a bigger story there was a beginning, middle and end. Quantum had ADD and a plot you had to follow with a microscope to understand what was happening.
In the conventional sense we had the hero, a villain with a convoluted/dastardly scheme, hero unraveling said scheme, dead bad guy, the end.
Obviously the stuff with the Quantum organization is still unresolved, but its not much different as the old Bond films where we knew that Spectre/Smersh was behind everything in this movie and the next.
However the more self-contained arc was supposed to be Bond's personal character development. He starts outs as a man driven by vengeance, which clashes with his personal duty to MI6, and in during his mission he has to figure out where his loyalty is going to lie- with himself or with the agency. At the end he decides that revenge for revenge sake is a pointless endeavor and self-destructive at worse so he returns to work, to the one thing he is sure in.
Of course it's easy to miss both of those things cause the movie didn't handle either plot very well.
Quatum of solace was a great film and had some cool moments that bathroom fight was great and while it was going on left me with an uneasy feeling. If anything it gives me hope.
@Dash_Stryker: Ummm, what? I was just pointing out there was no bathroom fight in Quantum of Solace (unless you count the scene where Bond follows a guy into one and knock him out off screen).
There was one in the cold open to Casino Royale though...
@omgwtflolbbqbye: I'm with you, man. there wasn't a bathroom fight that I can recall in Quantum of Solace, but, I'm not really sure what happened in the film or why any of it occurred.
@ggodo, the man from R.O.A.C.H.: Bond breaks into that dudes hotel room they fight in the bathroom then on to the balchoney and bond stabs the guy in the neck with some toe nail clippers.
I think you meant Bond breaks into a guy's hotel room, the guy comes at him with a knife, they fight in the bedroom/ living area, then on the balcony, then Bond stabs the guy in the leg with his own knife and waits for him to bleed out to death.
Though your bathroom/toenail clipper version of the scene sounds much better and would have been worth the price of a ticket alone...
@omgwtflolbbqbye: Ah here it is. See no bathroom. Though I guess you weren't too off with your nail clipper memory; Bond ends up stabbing him in the jugular and femoral arteries with a pair of scissors.
Yes, let's take the script away from a genius and give it to a hack.
By the time this comes out (if it ever does), even the general public is going to be totally over zombies and no one but a few die-hards (har!) will be watching.
From everything read on the script review, MJS script was supposedly a 'godsend' to the zombie movie genre with huge sweeping battle scenes and some 'awe inspiring' shots of zombie destruction.
As one guy I knew said. "Think Lord of the Rings big battles scenes but now put in zombies ripping crowds to pieces as they try to get on sinking rusted hulks to escape."
Another great scene was supposedly the protagonist in the middle of the Great Panic stuck on a freeway with his wife and child. He looks in his rear view mirror to see a wave of zombies literally engulfing every car behind him as it rolls toward where he is. If that idea doesn't cause the ass to clench in terror, I don't know what would.
Maybe MJS went too big in the industry eyes and now they are getting a second writer to tone down. If so, they are doing the supposed epic script a great disservice. MJS is the one person who I believe could put together a masterpiece for WWZ.
@Heath Doolin: Yeah, this saddens me greatly. JMS's script was apparently a thing of beauty, and the man knows how to rock thought-provoking sci-fi. As usual I think the execs couldn't appreciate what he was presenting or didn't want to pony up the cash for it.
Brooks himself says the film is just burning cash. "He’s one of Hollywood’s hot A-list writers, so if they went after him and paid him a mountain of gold, it definitely shows their confidence in this project. They say it’s a positive move because they’re very excited, but the truth is, it’s also positive because they just paid him a buttload of money, and [with] the money they paid him, the money they paid Straczynski and they money they’ve paid me, they’ve really dug themselves a deep hole, so they better make this thing!"
Still, I can't think of a novel I want made more right now than this. Please, please let it finally come together.
I know that Hollywood doesn't work this way, but can't they just get Max Brooks? I mean from WWZ, to the Audio Books, to the Survival Guide, to the fact that based on his lineage I'm guessing he has a pretty good grasp on screenwriting. Whatever.
And as excited as I am for Yonkers, I'm equally excited to see how they handle (and keep interesting) the final battle where they just sit there and fire off a round every 2 seconds and pile body on body for days on end.
@Miss_fortune:Well there you go! Thanks for answering my question. Write away gaggle of screenwriters!
And yeah, really, is there any part of the book we don't want to see? The pilot's trek through the swamp, blind swordsman, celeb house on Long Island. AH It's all so friggin good!!!!
@Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.: The pilots story was particularly a good one! Did the lady really exist? Or was it all in the pilots mind? The blind swordsman was just GREAT!!! Can't wait for this one to get made, whatever stories they include!!
@gdcol1969: I know it's been said a million times, and I'm sure the budget on this film will be seen on screen, but so many good stories this should really be a TV show. Maybe they'll M*A*S*H it.
@Garrison Dean: R.O.A.C.H.: I'd like to see if they have the balls to put "The Trooper" in the battle of Hope. Nothing like a little Iron Maiden in your mainstream movie!!
10/06/09
Or rather, he wrote a script that the studio would refuse to invest in. Judging from the excerpts that made their way online a few years back, I don't think this is too far off.
It seemed like a great script that would have been an amazing movie. But it's a hard sell, because all that shit requires a mondo budget that I don't think the studio wants to commit to.
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Also the action scenes sucked balls. They hired the dude that choreographs the shaky cam action scenes in the Bourne movies. Like other filmmakers, they forgot the only reason people accepted shaky cam in those movies was cause it fit with the guerrilla-style tone of Greengrass's direction. And going back to Casino Royale, it was even more jarring since we were used to traditional wide angle action scenes.
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Is that what you people want? More Star Wars prequels? I think not.
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Whether or not every movie the man makes suffers from similar problems, I have no idea.
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In the conventional sense we had the hero, a villain with a convoluted/dastardly scheme, hero unraveling said scheme, dead bad guy, the end.
Obviously the stuff with the Quantum organization is still unresolved, but its not much different as the old Bond films where we knew that Spectre/Smersh was behind everything in this movie and the next.
However the more self-contained arc was supposed to be Bond's personal character development. He starts outs as a man driven by vengeance, which clashes with his personal duty to MI6, and in during his mission he has to figure out where his loyalty is going to lie- with himself or with the agency. At the end he decides that revenge for revenge sake is a pointless endeavor and self-destructive at worse so he returns to work, to the one thing he is sure in.
Of course it's easy to miss both of those things cause the movie didn't handle either plot very well.
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There was one in the cold open to Casino Royale though...
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I think you meant Bond breaks into a guy's hotel room, the guy comes at him with a knife, they fight in the bedroom/ living area, then on the balcony, then Bond stabs the guy in the leg with his own knife and waits for him to bleed out to death.
Though your bathroom/toenail clipper version of the scene sounds much better and would have been worth the price of a ticket alone...
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Yes, let's take the script away from a genius and give it to a hack.
By the time this comes out (if it ever does), even the general public is going to be totally over zombies and no one but a few die-hards (har!) will be watching.
07/17/09
As one guy I knew said. "Think Lord of the Rings big battles scenes but now put in zombies ripping crowds to pieces as they try to get on sinking rusted hulks to escape."
Another great scene was supposedly the protagonist in the middle of the Great Panic stuck on a freeway with his wife and child. He looks in his rear view mirror to see a wave of zombies literally engulfing every car behind him as it rolls toward where he is. If that idea doesn't cause the ass to clench in terror, I don't know what would.
Maybe MJS went too big in the industry eyes and now they are getting a second writer to tone down. If so, they are doing the supposed epic script a great disservice. MJS is the one person who I believe could put together a masterpiece for WWZ.
07/17/09
Guy's the spiritual ancestor of Joss Whedon.
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Still, I can't think of a novel I want made more right now than this. Please, please let it finally come together.
07/17/09
And as excited as I am for Yonkers, I'm equally excited to see how they handle (and keep interesting) the final battle where they just sit there and fire off a round every 2 seconds and pile body on body for days on end.
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i hope they include the ISS astronauts. hell i know it'll be cut but it would be great to see that sequence...
07/17/09
And yeah, really, is there any part of the book we don't want to see? The pilot's trek through the swamp, blind swordsman, celeb house on Long Island. AH It's all so friggin good!!!!
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Bleh. I'm so conflicted now. Okay, not really, but man I'm so tired of zombies.
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