Actually, what everyone thinks is the mayan calendar was actually a graphical warning of what would cause the end of the world. Here, take a look at the "calendar": #2012
I imagine the guys that carved out that calendar way back in olden days figured that 2012 was far enough away that it wouldn't make any difference. It is like making a business plan. You can make 5 year plans and 10 year plans maybe even a 20 year plan, but what is the point of making plans any longer than that. #2012
@Jeremy Tapsell: Saddest thing ever. Even thought they retconned it better, seeing the original episode still brings manly, unshed tears to my eyes. #2012
For the love of all that's good and holy--look. As an archaeologist, I'm getting tired of explaining this. Ok, it's like this: the calendar doesn't "run out." It's like the odometer on your car rolling over to 100,000, or the calendar rolling over from 1999 to 2000. It's not a date full of mystical prophesies or anything. The 13th baktun (a time period of about 394 years) ends and the 14th baktun begins. Last time a baktun rolled over in the early 1600s, the world didn't end.
I mean, how many centuries does our calendar have? When does it "run out"? Well, it doesn't. Neither does theirs. #2012
@cletar: Saw an interesting article that had an interview with some local Mayan Indian descendants and they basically said, 'Damn you people are stupid.' (paraphrasing) #2012
@cletar: Wait, what? You mean I should not be stocking up on gas masks, water, and canned beans. Darn, haven't felt this stupid since that pesky Y2K thing. #2012
@TotalFanGirl: You should still have all those things from Y2K. You shouldn't have to buy new ones, unless in a fit of imprudence you've eaten your bean stash over the last ten years, or made a stupid steam-punk costume out of your gas mask or something. #2012
@cletar: It really isn't that bad of a choice. The money saved my living off of my old bean rations will go towards better tasting foodstuffs in 2012. If nothing happens I will eat that, and eventually I'll just keep a lobster tank in my bomb shelter. #2012
@TotalFanGirl: I think you should keep them around anyway pending a zombie apocalypse, which I might add, will not happen on a date linked to some prophecy or date of doom. It will just happen, and we'll need guns. #2012
@TotalFanGirl: Of course you should be stocking up on those things. As well as ammunition for your pump shotgun, assault rifle, survival poaching rifle, and all your handguns. But not for 2012... for the next natural disaster in which FEMA tries to help you.
IIRC, Mrs. Overclock (a.k.a. Dr. Overclock, Medicine Woman) and I got dressed up and went out dancing in Downtown Denver on December 31, 1999. After quite a bit of champagne, after midnight we peeked outside, saw the traffic lights were still working, and went back to the party.
@cletar: I think all this confusion comes from people grafting the Christian/Islamic obsession with the end of the world onto Mayan mythology. Also, most people who are obsessed with 2012 haven't bothered to read actual Mayan mythology or tried to understand the Long Count calendar. #2012
@cletar: Heh.. Iwas playing a gig on Y2K New Years... and as the clock hit midnight, one of the bartenders sneaked downstairs and tripped the breaker for the power in the bar. freaked us the f*** out.
Jerk. Funny, in hindsight, but not at the time. #2012
@Craig Dawson: We live amongst Wheatridge, Golden, Arvada, Lakewood, depending in which direction you walk. Mrs. Overclock (etc.) and I go Downtown about once or twice a month for a concert or something (going to see WICKED at the matinee on Saturday).
We should try to round up some other Denver/Boulder/Longmont IO9oids in meatspace sometime. #2012
@w1llk: Amen! Between 2012, Zombies and Visitors we should all be stockpiling weapons. I prefer flamethrowers. Burn your foes and create a nifty burning pile of bodies for their comrades to breach. #2012
@cletar: When someone's writing fiction, that doesn't mean that the author actually believes what they're writing. 2012 will be like every other day. #2012
@Paul Taylor: This has been oft quoted, but I actually heard Larry Niven say this in person (he was talking about the reaction readers had to a gay character in one of his short stories): "There's a term we use for people who think authors believe everything they write. We call them idiots." #2012
@TotalFanGirl: Oh I enjoy the idea of flamethrowers as well, but it's a dangerous zombie weapon to wield without projectile weapon backup. The only thing worse than being attacked by zombies is being attacked by flaming zombies... #2012
@Chip Overclock: Hey Chip,
Out of town for a long weekend - just saw this message.
I live, with my fiancee, in northwest City of Denver in the west highlands neighborhood, and I work out in western Lakewood near the Denver West area, so we are not so far away from you.
yeah, if there are a few other Io9 people in the area that would be cool.
@Craig Dawson: We're over by Denver West about once a week for something (at the Einsteins or the Office Max for example). Sounds like you're near the Common Grounds coffee shop, which is one of my faves, and the original Heidi's Deli. #2012
@Chip Overclock:
We are a little closer to the old Elitch Gardens location near 38th & Tennyson than we are to 32nd & Lowell, But Common Grounds is a great coffee shop, and I have been to that Heidi's a few times! #2012
I love this movie. My favorite moment is when they ask how he can fight so well without overheating his body. "My Father Trained Me.....Like A Horse" Not as in trained really hard, but literally like a horse. #zombies
i agree with Simon Peggs' assessment of zombie symbolism; namely, our fear of death.
"Slow and steady in their approach, weak, clumsy, often absurd, the zombie relentlessly closes in, unstoppable, intractable.
However (and herein lies the sublime artfulness of the slow zombie), their ineptitude actually makes them avoidable, at least for a while. If you're careful, if you keep your wits about you, you can stave them off, even outstrip them - much as we strive to outstrip death."
i don't believe that zombies are in any way the American Godzilla; what country other than Japan has Godzilla -- a giant monster that alternately destroys and helps humans? zombies appear in America's film, yes, but also Japan, the UK, Italy, and so on. death is a universal fear, but zombies are also a malleable (and cheaply-produced) image, as many have pointed out.
if anything, i'd suppose that the American fear of technology, as represented onscreen, is borne by actual machines -- Terminators, AI gone haywire (HAL9K, "Stealth"'s fighter plane), uncanny valley cyborgs, replicants and androids. we worry about being replaced or destroyed by our creations. sometimes they rescue us (actual or metaphorical) and thereby redeem their existence, and by extension, we forgive ourselves for creating them. #zombies
Jiang Shi (traditional Chinese: or; pinyin: jiāngshī; literally "stiff corpse"), sometimes called Chinese vampires by Westerners (despite the fact that they might bear a closer resemblance to zombies), are reanimated corpses that hop around, killing living creatures to absorb life essence (气/氣qì) from their victims. #zombies
@PlaidNinja: I'd say for Chinese, traditionally zombies and viampires are pretty much the same thing. As reanimated corpses, Jiang Shi are like zombies. As blood, or "qi" suckers, they are like vampires.
And I must point out the fact that western zombie are translated as "Jiang Shi" in Chinese language, while vamires are translated as literally "blood sucking monster". #zombies
@Bob Lu: Ah, ok. I have to be honest, I have no idea. My experience is limited to Wikipedia and half a film I happened to see on one of the Chinese channels. It was supposed to be martial arts/horror, but all the hopping turned out to be pretty damn funny. #zombies
@PlaidNinja: Yeah most of the Jiang Shi movies looks funny nowadays (although many of them are meant to be sort of funny. It is part of what Hong Kong movies were like).
Personally I will suggest "驅魔探長" (Magic Cop, or "驅魔警察" in Mainland China) if you want to see a little more modernized Jiang Shi movies. It's a 1990 movies so don't expect too much but it does incorporate already awesome Hong Kong style Kung-Fu fighting and well-developed Hong Kong style cop/detective movie with more stylish Chinese zombies (and zombie lords) nicely.
[www.youtube.com]
Here is part of the final scene of the movie, in which the detectives found the shrine of the zombie lord (who killed people, turn them into zombies and use them for drug trafficking) and defeated her. The zombie lord here is not fully your traditional Jiang Shi but you can still find some Jiang Shi characters. For example (at least in its true form) the Jiang Shi can't see living people, but can follow living thing's breath. So one of the ways to escape Jiang Shi is holding your breath.
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And this is one of my favorite. There is no Kung-Fu fighting in this scene and little special effect, but when you figure out what's going on you really can feel the intense of the spiritual fight between the detective and the zombie lord. #zombies
Traditionally in China, when a person dies they/their family want the body be buried with the family. So if someone die in a place far from their home, someone else will have to transport the body. And if the place is a mountain area, it will be hard to transport it with a stretcher or in a coffin. So those who are in charge of transporting the bodies (very often Taoist priest, as shown in those Hong Kong zombie movies) will stick two bamboo sticks through each of the long sleeves of every dead body's clothing, make a string of standing, hand-stretching dead people. And priests will carry the bodies by carrying the ends of the banboo sticks on their shoulder. In the dark it looks like the dead people were jumping, leaded and followed by priests. That's how the legend of Chinese zombies come. #zombies
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Actually, what everyone thinks is the mayan calendar was actually a graphical warning of what would cause the end of the world. Here, take a look at the "calendar": #2012
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@Skunky: Now, let's look at what they had seen when they looked into the future. #2012
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...for a thousand summers... #2012
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Saddest. Cartoon. Episode. Ever. #2012
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A TED talk by editor-in-chief of Discover magazine, Stephen Petranek. #2012
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I mean, how many centuries does our calendar have? When does it "run out"? Well, it doesn't. Neither does theirs. #2012
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IIRC, Mrs. Overclock (a.k.a. Dr. Overclock, Medicine Woman) and I got dressed up and went out dancing in Downtown Denver on December 31, 1999. After quite a bit of champagne, after midnight we peeked outside, saw the traffic lights were still working, and went back to the party.
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Hey Chip, good to see a fellow Denver resident here! #2012
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Jerk. Funny, in hindsight, but not at the time. #2012
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We should try to round up some other Denver/Boulder/Longmont IO9oids in meatspace sometime. #2012
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Out of town for a long weekend - just saw this message.
I live, with my fiancee, in northwest City of Denver in the west highlands neighborhood, and I work out in western Lakewood near the Denver West area, so we are not so far away from you.
yeah, if there are a few other Io9 people in the area that would be cool.
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We are a little closer to the old Elitch Gardens location near 38th & Tennyson than we are to 32nd & Lowell, But Common Grounds is a great coffee shop, and I have been to that Heidi's a few times! #2012
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"Slow and steady in their approach, weak, clumsy, often absurd, the zombie relentlessly closes in, unstoppable, intractable.
However (and herein lies the sublime artfulness of the slow zombie), their ineptitude actually makes them avoidable, at least for a while. If you're careful, if you keep your wits about you, you can stave them off, even outstrip them - much as we strive to outstrip death."
[www.guardian.co.uk]
i don't believe that zombies are in any way the American Godzilla; what country other than Japan has Godzilla -- a giant monster that alternately destroys and helps humans? zombies appear in America's film, yes, but also Japan, the UK, Italy, and so on. death is a universal fear, but zombies are also a malleable (and cheaply-produced) image, as many have pointed out.
if anything, i'd suppose that the American fear of technology, as represented onscreen, is borne by actual machines -- Terminators, AI gone haywire (HAL9K, "Stealth"'s fighter plane), uncanny valley cyborgs, replicants and androids. we worry about being replaced or destroyed by our creations. sometimes they rescue us (actual or metaphorical) and thereby redeem their existence, and by extension, we forgive ourselves for creating them. #zombies
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[en.wikipedia.org]
Jiang Shi (traditional Chinese: or; pinyin: jiāngshī; literally "stiff corpse"), sometimes called Chinese vampires by Westerners (despite the fact that they might bear a closer resemblance to zombies), are reanimated corpses that hop around, killing living creatures to absorb life essence (气/氣qì) from their victims. #zombies
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And I must point out the fact that western zombie are translated as "Jiang Shi" in Chinese language, while vamires are translated as literally "blood sucking monster". #zombies
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Personally I will suggest "驅魔探長" (Magic Cop, or "驅魔警察" in Mainland China) if you want to see a little more modernized Jiang Shi movies. It's a 1990 movies so don't expect too much but it does incorporate already awesome Hong Kong style Kung-Fu fighting and well-developed Hong Kong style cop/detective movie with more stylish Chinese zombies (and zombie lords) nicely.
[www.youtube.com]
Here is part of the final scene of the movie, in which the detectives found the shrine of the zombie lord (who killed people, turn them into zombies and use them for drug trafficking) and defeated her. The zombie lord here is not fully your traditional Jiang Shi but you can still find some Jiang Shi characters. For example (at least in its true form) the Jiang Shi can't see living people, but can follow living thing's breath. So one of the ways to escape Jiang Shi is holding your breath.
[www.youtube.com]
And this is one of my favorite. There is no Kung-Fu fighting in this scene and little special effect, but when you figure out what's going on you really can feel the intense of the spiritual fight between the detective and the zombie lord. #zombies
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