sncreducer

To waste ones time worrying about such trivial matters is one reason our country is so screwed up.

If this is such a waste of time, what the hell are you doing here in the first place, idiot?

It's time for io9 to start banning commenters. I nominate the old fart.

sncreducer

The reason I think it might be the case is the dream-like stuff with him getting lost in the woods and the stuff with the shack, how could Charlie be dead AND appear to him but be able to smack him in the face unless it was all part of some dream-like episode, and the other thing (and please correct me on this if I'm wrong) is that EVERYONE was referring to Hurley as Hugo! For some reason that really stood out to me as I'm not aware of many people in previous episodes calling him anything other than Hurley (haven't had the opportunity to check this).

Hurley also said to Jack "I should have gone with you" almost implying that it was something he should have done but actually didn't (I know this can be interpreted in the other way.)

Anyway, I'll probably turn out to be way off, but there you go!

Great show, glad to see it back!

IrvTheSwirv

lukeoneil47

Welcome back, Lost :)

Benjo

But I guess it's obviously because he's hiding something about the other 40 survivors... [like their existence, for some reason... "are they alive?"]

ideaman2020

Supernintendo

But what does it mean?

92BuickLeSabre

Aren't there message boards for Dancing With the Stars or American Gladiator you could haunt instead?

Honestly, old dude, of ALL tele-shows to rant against... LOST? For one thing, the biggest compliment I can give Lost is that the writers have liberally infused literary references into the show's DNA. Ergo, if you aren't well-read, you will not GET the show.

If you don't like TV, don't watch it. Go listen to conspiracy AM radio or learn the nuances of bushido.

Incidentally, we are ralating to eachother over here... duh!

Pham_Nuwen

905

EBone

oldandintheway

Imipolex_G-Unit

-I think Hurley's FF was meant to show that he is very stressed about all the lying. He hallucinates when he's stressed, just like Jack self-medicates when he's stressed. They are both stressing.

-With you on the 8 episodes seeming to be fat too few, but glad that we have any!

theysaidwhat

geekwitch

jbq

-So, you guys, that was confirmed Christian Shepard in the cabin? Looked like beardy ole Jacob to me.
-What's with the new set where everyone meets? What part of the plane is that?
-It seems like Hurley's FF was too much he's just crazy, hallucinations, (water crashing in?) to be a tight, island caused trip out. But maybe the island's powers extend farther and more obviously post-"rescue."
-It's gonna suck when all this build-up runs out after 8 fucking episodes!

tinymoves

GreyGander

This is ultimately more about mystery and faith, than science and reason. I mean come on people, just roll with it! Smoke monster anyone? [How biblical is that!]

Will it ultimately be taken to any sort of satisfactory conclusion? Depends... Me thinks one needs to go no further than the parallels and deviations with Alias for some clues.

JJ's Alias seemed to almost go somewhere with it's narrative and mystery in the first 2/3 seasons, but kept on crapping out on us and moving on in less and less satisfying ways in the 4/5 seasons. They did finish it however and did stamp a conclusion on the thing, as shyte as it was (IMHO).

On the other hand, Lost is a much better TV show on every level, so that brings some hope that maybe JJ has learned his lesson can pull off a better conclusion to the proceedings than with Alias. We'll see...

Just my $00.02.

BTW, sure loved the episode last night!

Pham_Nuwen

Hurley seems to be grateful to Jack for getting them rescued, and presumably he joined up with Jack again in order to manage to do so. But he is also beginning to regret having left the island. Presumably Locke is still alive on the island, as are many others, and that is one of the things they've had to lie about - they presumably had to claim that they were the only survivors and that the plane itself had crashed into the Pacific Ocean and was the plane that was "found".

One possibility worth exploring is that the island is a place where parallel universes intersect. I've explored this idea on my blog and would welcome feedback on the ideas I've presented there, as well as further thoughts and suggestions.

James McGrath

I don't follow your reasoning? There's no fun in building a puzzle if someone keeps coming up and dumping in a differnt puzzle on top of it.

Seth L

-Jacob's cabin = time loop? Notice the lantern was whole again. Also, check the photo (painting?) of Vincent on the wall. Hm.

-Matthew Abaddon. So Biblical. Rumor has it he is the smoke monster.

-Anyone who played the find815 game through to its conclusion knows now that they found a real Oceanic plane at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. Which means either we're dealing with alternate timestreams/realities, or someone went to tremendous expense to plant a fake plane crash. At that someone is probably Penny's dad.

-Ok, I'm going to go decipher the whispering Hurley heard at the cabin. Yeah, I'm way into this stuff. :-) Love trying to solve the mysteries.

Ed Grabianowski

EBone

Chongo

Chongo

Conversely, question answering is equally cruel, silly, and incomprehensible. I fear every attempt to appease the audience's need for answers, only appreciate the (occasional) continued capacity to provoke new tensions.

What questions need answered about the "monster"? Should we expect a scientific explanation for how a cloud of smoke both roars like a dinosaur and grinds like a machine? A psychological motivation for uprooting trees?

Lost (like X-Files, Twin Peaks, The Prisoner, and many others) will ultimately (if not already) consume its own momentum. True, unanswered questions and contradictions are just as much a problem as providing answers. But it's the nature of the form. I'll never understand anyone expecting "answers" from Lost. Unanswered questions is its modus operandi. Expecting otherwise will only end in disappointment. (And I don't care what Abrams or anyone else says about plans for a satisfying resolution.)

Enjoy the thrill of the unknown while it lasts -- the show becomes more transparent and silly with every attempt to create an understandable or resolvable story. The most satisfactory conclusion to Lost (and other series like it) is canceling it prematurely and unresolved (I know, many would say it's already too late).

Tim Faulkner

TPTB have said there are three seasons left, including this one. That's a lot more stalling to get through.

Seth L

SuperUnison

EBone

I didn't think that it could be Hurley since it's the future, but I'd think that Kate would care more if it was him. Then again, maybe he really fucked up this season.

As to season pacing, I feel like this season will be them leaving them island with flash forwards to them going back. Then next season (the last I think) will be them going back to finish things, second half of IT-style.
Then again, with a writer's strike, all bets are off.

Spiral

My guess is that either Locke or Ben was in the coffin. Did you notice Harold Perrineau's name in the opening credits? Michael's coming back...

booktart

But they would probably be too obvious.

And somehow I doubt Ben would get off the island alive....

Maybe it was Hugo. [But the casket didn't look especially large...]

ideaman2020

ideaman2020

Spiral

And the interrogating detective? That actor gets around some:

[imdb.com]

Lost, Life, 24, Prison Break, Nip/Tuck, Band of Brothers, Six Feet Under, Standoff, Grosse Pointe Blank (!), CSI, etc.

Cal Arts baby!

lillian27

EBone

jbq

mitchel_stevens

Plague

tetracycloide

Part of the fun of watching LOST, especially in its first 2 seasons, was that the plot development allowed for the same sense of satisfaction you get when you play a puzzle- or adventure video game. Every now and then, you solve a mystery.

There's only so much mystery accumulation an audience should be asked to handle before it starts to look like cruelty or incompetence.

Ray Gunn

booktart

tetracycloide

Bill2me

I don't think Hurley's going with Locke meant he wanted to stay on the island, merely that he didn't trust the Not Penny's Boat people. (It's not clear whether what's happening "now" on the Island is the incident that leads to the return of the Oceanic 6.) And if Locke really cared about saving the others and making a stand against the NPB people, he would have let someone everyone trusted -- say, Sayid -- make the pitch. But that would have required Locke to yield center stage, so you know that's not happening.

How cool is it that Jack really did try to blow Locke's head off? In the middle of Locke's usual patronizing speech, too.

inconstant_reader

Oops, got that wrong, it means Destruction in Hebrew, not Greek.

Seth L

Have you ever met anyone named Abaddon (means Destroyer in greek)? Why didn't they just call him Mr. Evil?

Seth L

I enjoyed this episode, but I honestly wasn't expecting them to delay the getting-off-the-island thing in such a frustrating way. The thought of spending this whole season watching them *almost* get off the island, while knowing that they apparently do at some point, has the potential to be phenomenally frustrating.

demonbaby

Who was the man who visited Hurley in the hospital?
Not sure who he is, but his last name was Abaddon. Abaddon is another biblical name. There are several theories on who he actually is in the bible. One theory places him as one of the 4 horseman, Pestilence. Another as the angel who locked the gates of hell after satan was cast down.

If Hurley wanted to stay on the island with Locke, why is he back in L.A. with Jack? Where's Walt? Was that Jacob? When did Sawyer get so sensitive? What happened to make Future Jack change his mind about going back to the island?
Hell if I know the answers to any of those.

Trust me, I'm a doctor

And I know the answer to at least one of yours: it wasn't Jacob. It was Christian Shepard. Unless Christian IS Jacob. Ugh.

Ray Gunn

Zombie Charlie is much cooler than living Charlie.

Lotusmonger

the earl of weaver

Maybe his not-dead-Dad payed him a vist (He was in the rocking chair in Jacob's cottage).

Seth L

Lynn Peril

Ok, Pile On! Lost isn't even trying to be sci-fi anymore. It's well into the realm of fantasy.

Seth L

I got the impression that this flash forward actually concerns events that happened before the one that was part of last season's finale. The big clue for me was "I'm thinking about growing a beard."

The point we were introduced to last night is before Jack has decided they have to go back - he's clearly troubled but not ready to accept Hurley's suggestion that they may be needed back on the island.

Bill2me

Wocka.

Wocka.

Dead Air ummm Dead Air

extracrispy

tetracycloide

schmid4brains

Plague