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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>Let us not forget the ever so vaginal orifice of the Dune "spiced" Navigator.</p> <p><a href="http://">SigmundTheSeaMonster</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4774689">Annalee Newitz</a>: Not only does Quentin's penis rot off but immediately afterwards Rose's boyfriend fits her with that gun leg, basically an artificial penis, but not just any artificial penis but the biggest, baddest penis with full auto &amp; a grenade launcher. Obviously that boy has no fear of emasculation by a woman with power.</p> <p><a href="http://freddiefreelance.blogspot.com">Freddie Freelance</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4775884">MilesFromNowhere</a>: Isn't there a literal vagina dentata movie called "Teeth" that premiered at Sundance last year?</p> <p>victheremin</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4773730">Her_royal_Highness</a>: Actually it was in color. Helllllp mee.</p> <p>victheremin</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4774619">Surreality</a>:</p>
<p>its like what lurlen was saying...doing these horrible things, and if anything, going through possibly worse things, in order to survive</p>
<p>i read about that whole russian busting in and then raping the women before freeing them a few days ago...couldnt believe it.</p>
<p>the scariest thing about 28 days later is how plausible it seems to me. I read a little while ago that there apparently are diseases that can make you go totally batshit insane/pissed off. throw in the ability to transmit the diseases through blood, and make them lose all feeling of hunger, thirst, and their extremeties, and you have the virus from 28 days later.</p>
<p>the only good thing to be said is that instead of 28 days later, it would be more like &gt; 4 days later. Food you can go without for a while. But liquids such as water? a few days and i dont care how angry you are, you're still dead.</p> <p>jrghoull</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>One of Cronenberg's early ones, <i>Rabid</i>, had some space virus the main symptom of which was that you grew a vagina in your armpit out of which would emerge a penis from which would emerge a stinger which you could use to suck blood.</p>
<p>So you see, kids, its about men AND women (AND bees AND vampires).</p> <p><a href="http://www.petemandik.com/blog">Imipolex_G-Unit</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4793166">Annalee Newitz</a>:  You could have always gone with Videodrome and the storage of the masculine gunhand in the artificial male womb, accessed through the recently installed hallucinatory abdominal vagina.<br>
There's a movie, especially the uncut version with the cigarette burns, etc, that isn't afraid to wear it's gender-blending sexual horror on it's sleeve.</p> <p>gothfae</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4792322">Plague</a>: It's ok. Some of my best friends are cranks. But in answer to your point: I think we can analyze this flick as being about humans, and about humans who are men with typically male problems (not that I buy into the idea that all guys are one way or another). That's all.</p> <p><a href="http://www.io9.com">Annalee Newitz</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4785806">Annalee Newitz</a>: <br>
I see it as contradictory because you are choosing to focus on the fact that the subjects at hand are "men", and specifically men, when I think the point is about "humans" with the films chosen. I just think your main statement is misleading: your chosen subject header. Because I don't see this as having to do with genitalia...<br>
Now the argument about men's fear of their bodies (as men are notoriously afraid of doctors, and by extension, disease), that we can completely agree on as a reading.</p>
<p>And yes, I am a cranky sumbitch.</p>
<p>@<a href="#c4785523">ggodo</a>: <br>
Oh, don't worry, I'd never comment on Kotaku. I don't know shit about gaming and I'll be the first to admit it. <br>
But I think banning for anything except obvious and repeated trolling is just capricious.</p> <p><a href="http://I have way too many opinions to waste them on a blog. Please.">Plague</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4785772">Annalee Newitz</a>: Banhammer... that needs to be a song. Someone call Dethklok</p>
<p>Twas a vicious attack on my blog...<br>
So I grabbed a parallel cable and on his back did I flog..</p>
<p>BANHAMMER!!!! (chug chug chug)</p> <p><a href="http://www.rushinteens.com">Garrison Dean, King Awesome</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4785789">PriorMarcus</a>: "Well it's good to see you share my opinion on the matter"</p>
<p>Ah, yes.  The only way to be right.</p>
<p>:rolleyes:</p> <p>Rooo sez BISH PLZ</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4774514">Freddie Freelance</a>: I almost added this myself until I saw you had it.  It's 'Planet Terror' btw.</p> <p>prom77</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>it it nerdy that i've seen all of these multiple times??<br>
oh, and speaking of creepy peen, let's not forget rosemary's baby and the demon seed. those two scared the bejeezus out of me.<br>
on a sidenote, cillian murphy in 28 days later is totally bangable.</p> <p><a href="http://marychain.deviantart.com">astralgravy</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4782730">Plague</a>: The only place where I disagree with you is that you seem to think that your reading and mine are contradictory. But I'm saying that they both lead to the same kinds of conclusions. This is art man -- it's ambiguous. A movie can be about disease and be about maleness at the same time.</p>
<p>This movie is about a male stereotype: the male geek, who ignores his body and focuses on machines. He gets his "disease" because he refuses to deal with what his machines might do to his body. This is directly a result of his stereotypical dudeliness.</p>
<p>I agree there are many other movies that would have made this point better, and this was one of those posts where I kind of didn't really know what I wanted to argue until I was done with it and then I just said, "Ok fuck it good enough I'll publish." That's blogging for you. But I'll follow up with some more posts that more clearly deal with the horrors of guy-ness. I've got a good one I'm planning for tomorrow!</p> <p><a href="http://www.io9.com">Annalee Newitz</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4785772">Annalee Newitz</a>: Well it's good to see you share my opinion on the matter, and it's good to know opinions don't count as red cards around here.</p> <p>PriorMarcus</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4785523">ggodo</a>: Plague is smart -- he's made lots of good comments on past posts. I wouldn't give him the banhammer just for disagreeing with me and being kind of cranky about it.</p> <p><a href="http://www.io9.com">Annalee Newitz</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4785523">ggodo</a>: I find the idea of banning him preposterous. He has a differing point of view from Annalee and he argued his ideas well.</p>
<p>The Fly has been well documented as being about the way that the body handles disease and not about "men going ape shit because they are men." If she could find some point in this film that backs that up then I'd be willing to consider her argument, but some vague idea of him being previously unaware of his body doesn't do it. The character couldve been a female and the plot would've remained the same.</p>
<p>The day that people get banned from this site for having a point of view which contrast with the editor is a sad one, especially when the first person to start throwing around phrases such as "get over it" and "dismissing comments as claptrap" was that editor themselves.</p>
<p>If Annalee wants to counter points made against her articles with "get over it" then maybe she should consider removing readers ability to comment entirely because otherwise she's going to get people try to rebuke her and expect discussion in return, it's how a discussion works. Discussion is what most people want from these comment sections.</p>
<p>And I don't see why it takes balls to debate with the editors, they are people too, prone to faults and able to make return points - we shouldn't fear being banned just because we have a differing opinion.</p> <p>PriorMarcus</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4781590">Annalee Newitz</a>: My recommendation is to ignore Plague, he's an interesting commentator and I'd love to go head to head with him sometime, but he will never lose. If this were Kotaku, he'd probably get the hammer for this, but I hope he stays here because he's so wonderfully contrary and pessimistic.</p>
<p>Plague, I salute you for having the balls to duke it out with the editors, and would like to duel you over something I care more about in the future.</p>
<p>Ms. Newitz, The Fly does not support your argument in the way you have used it, but 28 Days Later works fine.</p> <p>ggodo</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>See, this is an indication of Good Art afoot - that people can read into it what they want and be able to make at least fairly convincing arguments for their viewpoint, while admitting wildly divergent interpretations.</p>
<p>I must say I consider The Fly one of the greatest horror films ever.  28 Days Later was very clever and effective, but not nearly so thematically rich or emotionally resonant.</p> <p>SeeingI</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>Actually aren't all flies Brundle Flies? :D<br>
and Geena Davis isn't ugly! you must be talking about "whats her horse face" from Sex In the City</p>
<p>@Klebert L. Hall</p>
<p>"The Goldblum Fly was the only horror movie I've ever been so horrified by that I had trouble watching. Largely because the character were so sympathetic that I actually cared what happened to them."</p>
<p>Have you ever seen "Dead Ringers"...?<br>
and it actually pre-dates "The Fly" and yes its Cronenberg.</p> <p>dOk</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>I find that Cronenberg's films, The Fly included has a lot of fearful vadge imagery - in The Fly in particular, when Geena Davis is afraid she's pregnant and in the dream sequence she gives birth to a larva creature - that scared the crap out of me and made me cross my legs like there was no tomorrow, my boyfriend at the time definitley did not get any that night - I think this was meant to be more terrifying than Seth's decline (into) masculinity, which was more sad.</P> <p>tamarah</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4780786">Annalee Newitz</a>: I'm not attacking you Annalee, I think it's an interesting starting point for an article, I just think you choose the wrong films - but can you explain your point here, because I don't understand if your trying to turn this into a debate about sexism or if I'm misreading.</p> <p>PriorMarcus</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4779808">It'stheRooo</a>: Why is it that when we express our opinion of an article placed on a website some people turn it into a personal attack on our/my reading habits and psyche?</p>
<p>I disagree with Annalee, I don't think either of these films try to draw upon the ideas of the male genitals or sexuality, and I said that. She can defend her own article and points of views from those who disagree with her - and if she can't maybe she should consider not posting them on her blog for everyone to read.</p>
<p>It's a well writen article, but one I don't share an opinion with. And I'm not really sure why you brung Childhood's End into the discussion, or why you think it's at all similar to the debate at hand.</p> <p>PriorMarcus</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4781590">Annalee Newitz</a>: <br>
Getting "nowhere"? You practically said I was correct in your first response to what I wrote!<br>
If my comments (based on interviews I have read with the filmmakers and other critical reviews) are "claptrap", then I'll just come out and say it: your entire post is based on nothing but a prejudged position you attempted to throw at us with NOTHING to back it up, as I and several others have shown.<br>
You picked the wrong movies to try and prove your point. There are others, however, that would have worked just fine.</p> <p><a href="http://I have way too many opinions to waste them on a blog. Please.">Plague</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4779808">It'stheRooo</a>: What the hell does Childshood End have to do with this?  Less people will read that book because it wasn't turned into one of the greatest films ever made by one of the greatest directors ever.  <br>
How would people know that the book would make them look inward unless they read it?  Oh right, the blurb on the cover.</p>
<p>"Caution this book will make you come face to face with yourself, so don't read it if you are a man cause you totally won't get it.  Go read 2001 which has floating black blocks in space and starbabies and makes perfect sense."</p> <p><a href="http://www.rushinteens.com">Garrison Dean, King Awesome</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>So was the scene where Selena loses it and hacks her only friend to bits after he probably was infected because she was a man?  Or is it only the men who get the bad rap for going crazy at the end of the world because of their sex.  When women do it, its totally fine and justified.</p>
<p>Is it men who are the real villain in 28 Days? or is it the Military and the alpha type people who often end up being leaders and the weaker people who follow.</p> <p><a href="http://www.rushinteens.com">Garrison Dean, King Awesome</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4781063">Plague</a>: No it's actually the last refuge of someone who is dismissing your comments as claptrap after first attempting to engage substantively with you and getting nowhere.</p> <p><a href="http://www.io9.com">Annalee Newitz</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>@<A href="http://io9.com/369710/battle-of-the-genitals-in-science-horror-movies#c4781303">Plague</A>: <BR>Funny.</P></BR> <p><a href="http://www.erindoesgradschool.blogspot.com/">Kittentits</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4781166">Kittentits</a>: <br>
Let me fix that for you: "The only fact here is that you're unusually angry, self-righteous and correct"</p> <p><a href="http://I have way too many opinions to waste them on a blog. Please.">Plague</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>@<A href="http://io9.com/369710/battle-of-the-genitals-in-science-horror-movies#c4780512">Plague</A>:<BR>Why are your "facts" about what the movie is REALLY about so effing authoritative? The only fact here is that you're unusually angry and self-righteous.</P></BR> <p><a href="http://www.erindoesgradschool.blogspot.com/">Kittentits</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4780786">Annalee Newitz</a>:<br>
"Get over it"<br>
The last refuge of someone whose argument has been dismantled.</p>
<p>Done!</p> <p><a href="http://I have way too many opinions to waste them on a blog. Please.">Plague</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4780512">Plague</a>: Ah, that old confusion between "men" and "the human race as a whole." But if it were about women, it would be women. Get over it.</p> <p><a href="http://www.io9.com">Annalee Newitz</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4779808">It'stheRooo</a>: @<a href="#c4779888">Kittentits</a>: <br>
Sorry, but there is a difference between drawing conclusions from the evidence presented by the films themselves and pulling bits and pieces to fit the conclusion you want to present. NEITHER of these two films had anything to do with men as "men". They had to do with the human race as a whole. Cronenberg has a long history of "body fear" in his films. The Fly was the best example of this taken to the extreme. He is not being "turned inside out". His body is revolting against him like a cancer and he is trying to grasp what it means to lose one's humanity. 28 Days later was a mish mosh of body fear and the fear of the loss of "safeness" that one has in today's society. <br>
But hey, never the facts get in the way of your point of view, right, Jezebelites?</p> <p><a href="http://I have way too many opinions to waste them on a blog. Please.">Plague</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>When Seth changes into the fly, he is essentially being turned inside out and becoming more corporeal, more disturbingly fleshy. He becomes like an open, gaping wound. The horror is based on him becoming more "vaginal", even though we don't actually see a big vadge or vadge-like orifice hit the screen.</P> <p><a href="http://www.erindoesgradschool.blogspot.com/">Kittentits</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4776736">PriorMarcus</a>: *smh* Why is it when an author thoughtfully attempts to take things beyond the bare-faced literal, it sets off a zombified chant of "square peg, round hole" with some of you guys?</p>
<p>See, this is why I'm so sorry Mr. Clarke will likely be more vividly remembered for "2001" than for "Childhood's End".  So few people can stand to read the latter book and possibly come face to face with themselves.</p> <p>Rooo sez BISH PLZ</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4773730">Her_royal_Highness</a>: Oh how that "Help me! Help me!" SPLAT scene haunted my childhood.</p> <p>foolish-rain</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4775884">MilesFromNowhere</a>: yeah, vagina dentata was a horrifying thought. Nice one!</p>
<p>The Fly, would you really keep your man-bits in a jar after you started to mutate into something else?</p> <p><a href="http://">CmdrHunt</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4777954">Plague</a>: No problem. Glad we share the same point of view on the matter.</p> <p>PriorMarcus</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4777262">PriorMarcus</a>: <br>
thanks for going in-depth on what my point was about 28 Days Later upthread.<br>
Agree exactly.</p> <p><a href="http://I have way too many opinions to waste them on a blog. Please.">Plague</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>@<A href="http://io9.com/369710/battle-of-the-genitals-in-science-horror-movies#c4777076">SeeingI</A>: Ha Ha forgot about Audrey II. Good one.</P> <p><a href="http://">MilesFromNowhere</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4775825">pinafore</a>: I'd argue that 28 Days Later' revelation of the true mindsets of the soldiers is one of the most forced and idiotic story techniques I've seen in the horror genre of the last years. The entire second half of the movie felt awkward and forced when compared to the themes and ideas portrayed in the first part.</p>
<p>I couldn't help but feel that the end half of 28 Days Later felt like the writer had sat down and deliberately set out to find the most disturbing ulterior motive for the soldiers - and for that reason, to me at least, it just felt underwhelming and poor.</p>
<p>Sexual assault and rape are two of the easiest ideas to insert into any script were a male presence is the majority in a lawless world, and because of that it often comes across as the worst. It's not that I don't find the subject horrible, it's that I found it so blatantly forced and lazy that it merely made the film itself seem horrible.</p>
<p>On the other hand a movie like Dawn of the Dead (1978) at least manages to maintain a consistent theme of society becoming more violent and dangerous through out the entirety of it's narrative progression. From the opening scenes it builds upon the ideas of survival bringing out the worst in people, and the end feels inevitable and fulfilling because of the establishment.</p>
<p>If 28 Days Later had ended at the half way point, or if it had changed the later half to be more in tune with the excellent first it would've been one of the best movies of all time, sadly it ended up being one of the biggest disappointments.</p> <p>PriorMarcus</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>Greatest vagina dentata of all time was Audrey II.  Some might say the Sarlacc or the Alien, but come on - could they sing??  Though oddly, it was kind of penile, too.  I kind of take Audrey II to be both the embodiment Seymour's repressed masculinity, AND a weird doppleganger for Audrey.</p>
<p>More on this topic than you ever thought possible:   <a href="http://mondomusicals.blogspot.com/2008/02/little-shop-sex-and-single-plant.html">[mondomusicals.blogspot.com]</a></p> <p>SeeingI</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4773682">braak</a>: Nerd can be a gender-neutral term. But I think it depends on how old you are.</p>
<p>Sure, if you are 25-ish or under, the proliferation of technology and the majority of college students now being female has made it gender neutral.</p>
<p>But as a 40 year old guy, you say nerd to me-- I think of a guy, more specifically- me in my young to late teens.</p>
<p>And frankly, to my sensibilities, you can not be a nerd and have a girlfriend. They are mutually exclusive. Nerd + Girlfriend = Geek</p> <p>radio1</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4774688">Plague</a>: I agree with you, and I'm sorry Annalee, but I think your trying to fit the triangle block into the circular peg here.</p> <p>PriorMarcus</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>Have to agree with all the agreement about 28 Days Later. Definitely the most effective horror flick I've seen since "Henry: Portriat of a Serial Killer," which has nothing to do with sci-fi or vadges so it isn't topical here, for exactly the reasons mentioned. Not the zombies, but the reactions of the normal humans. One could say it was the desire for the vadge as oppposed to the fear of it that causes the movie to work, and also, the cause of me making the occasional fool of myself out at bars.</P> <p><a href="http://">Im a people person. Who drinks.</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>you failed to mention that the most horrifying part of the fly is when geena davis gives birth the fly baby hybrid.  im pretty sure that has something to do with a vag.</p> <p>palecheekpink</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>Two words of horror: vagina dentata.</P>
<P>Teeth and King Kong (Peter's version) If the slugs with teeth aren't vaginas, all wet and pink inside, I'll kiss yer bum.</P> <p><a href="http://">MilesFromNowhere</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>annalee, you totally grasped what made 28 Days later such an intelligent horror film. a lot of dystopian plots allude to sexual violence as a consequence, but its done in this hashed casual way that no one really sees the horror of women hiding from it or fearing it. considering the film was directed and written by men; it was a pretty bold move. and one that required an unusually intuitive actor like cullian murphy to pull off.</p> <p><a href="http://">pinafore</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>I saw 28 Days Later as being about how people lose it when societal order is taken away, which men tend to play into more violently. Look at the 1977 NYC blackouts. While the ending did have a Camp Kurtz flavor to it the soldiers, to me, were more desperate and probably a bit twisted from the loss of authority than brainwashed. The infected were a sort of catalyst for the really creepy (human) parts of the movie.</p> <p>E0157H7</p>]]></description>
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Uh, that was From Beyond with the pineal gland...<br>
Re-animator had the decaptitated head head-giving.</p> <p><a href="http://I have way too many opinions to waste them on a blog. Please.">Plague</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>"The Fly" was fascinating because of the social commentary it forwarded in regards to the tenuous thread we have on our humanity, and it was really gross when he eat donuts... buzz buzz... "how the hell did a fly get into the forum... Crunchy take care of that fly would ya."</p>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>@<A href="http://io9.com/369710/battle-of-the-genitals-in-science-horror-movies#c4774015">lurleen</A>:</P>
<P>You're mixing two different events. The Russians did liberate a bunch of the extermination camps, but didn't rape any of the prisoners. What they did do though, egged on by Russian propaganda, was rape 1000s and 1000s of German women civilians. Of all ages, including pre-pubescent girls and elderly women.</P> <p>PeteRR</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>I always love the penile pineal gland in the glorious Re-Animator. Seriously, dood has a dick coming out of his forehead and tries to give oral pleasure with his decapitated head. Pure genius!</p> <p><a href="http://driftmarlo.blogspot.com">drift_marlo</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely agree about 28 Days.  That twist was part of what made it my fav Zombie flick of all time.</p> <p><a href="http://www.jeremycorff.com">Belabras</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4774815">Annalee Newitz</a>: <br>
Yes. <br>
But I don't think that Cronenberg intended this as a "man issue", but as a human one.<br>
Or, possibly what too much living in one's head at the expense of your physical/emotional self can cause.</p> <p><a href="http://I have way too many opinions to waste them on a blog. Please.">Plague</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4774688">Plague</a>: I completely agree that The Fly is about dealing with disease. One of the things that's fascinating is watching Brundle become aware of his body, which he wasn't before when he was buried in his work with computers. I think your reading can fit with what I'm bumbling toward saying here, which is that The Fly is about a stereotypical nerd guy who is unaware of his body, who undergoes a transformation that forces him to become horribly aware of it. But part of the horror is that he got to this spot in the first place by not thinking through the impact his work might have on his body.</p> <p><a href="http://www.io9.com">Annalee Newitz</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>The Goldblum <i>Fly</i> was the only horror movie I've ever been so horrified by that I had trouble watching. Largely because the character were so sympathetic that I actually cared what happened to them.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, Jeff then went on to play a long string of dreadful, anti-science characters, that I hate.<br>
-Kle.</p> <p><a href="n/a">Klebert L. Hall</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4774274">Metropolis</a>: Well I can have her all to myself then!</p> <p><a href="http://www.io9.com">Annalee Newitz</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4774514">Freddie Freelance</a>: Yes -- so gross/awesome. I know I should have included a bunch more penis horror here. My personal favorite is the scene where the zombie rat fights a severed zombie penis in Beyond Re-Animator.</p> <p><a href="http://www.io9.com">Annalee Newitz</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>Man, I don't even know how to say how wrong you are about "The Fly". It's about dealing with disease and how it changes your body and your "connection" with it. Brundle before is just an average person, living unaware of what he is. After, he goes so far as to "categorize" parts of himself, to attempt to keep part of his "self" as he was, because he is now "aware" of his decreasing humanity as the disease progresses. His being a man is just secondary, in my view. Sexuality is only brought up via the maggot baby, which again is a fear of the loss of "humanness".</p>
<p>As for 28 days later- it has to be one of the most overrated films of the last decade. Two movies grafted together very uncomfortably.</p> <p><a href="http://I have way too many opinions to waste them on a blog. Please.">Plague</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>Nothing disturbs me more than movies, stories, or art in any form, depicting sexual assault except for the person that thinks it's cool.</P>
<P>In 28 Days Later, when the woman gives the girl drugs so she can handle being raped…I have no words to describe how horrified I was at the thought. A dick you can't say no to is very scary.</P> <p>Surreality</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>How about <i>Planet Horror</i>? Especially the scene where Quentin Tarrentino's "Rapist #1" is trying to rape Rose McGowan before his penis finishes rotting off?</p> <p><a href="http://freddiefreelance.blogspot.com">Freddie Freelance</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>"His gooey revenge is exactly what the Star Wars Kid has in mind for us."<br>
ROFLMAO!!!</p> <p>pharago</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4773677">Tim Faulkner</a>: ...oddly enough, after transforming into Brundle fly, Goldblum appears to have no genitalia.</p>
<p>Sure he does.  It's in a jar in the bathroom cabinet.</p> <p>MonkeyT</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>The Fly always creeped me out. Oh, and Geena Davis is ass ugly.</P> <p>Metropolis</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4773682">braak</a>: Nerd is a gender neutral term. That's why I specifically called him a guy nerd. Female nerds care all about their machines too, but I'm talking about cultural stereotypes in The Fly, not reality. Obviously in reality there are plenty of guy nerds who care about more than their machines too.</p> <p><a href="http://www.io9.com">Annalee Newitz</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4774010">V.I.N.CENT</a>: It's actually the giant head of a penis.</p> <p><a href="http://www.io9.com">Annalee Newitz</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c4774022">itispunky</a>: Fixed!</p> <p><a href="http://www.io9.com">Annalee Newitz</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>The Alien series was awash in both male and female sexual imagery. Anything even remotely based on Giger's art HAS to be...(which, I think, was kinda the point)</p> <p><a href="http://">Miranda Kali</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>i know, i know, i'm a total douchebag for making this correction, but her name is "geena" davis, not "gina"</P> <p>itispunky</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>28 days later kind of horror is the real horror the Horror that colonel Kurtz in Apocalipsis Now talked about. it reminds me of something I read about the second world war and how the russians who salved all those woman in the nazi camps raped them before liberate them. so those woman who were totaly ripped by the nazy camp experience, almost corpses, hungry and hopless , expecting to be saved were afterall repeatly raped by who were supose to save them..its then when they really wanted to die..after have been able to survive that was the last thing they could expect from humanity.<BR>
that's kinda what happens in 28 days after isnt it?</P></BR> <p><a href="http://www.myspace.com/violetlades">lurleen</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me, or is Goldblum sitting in a vadge?</p>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>It's been a while since I've seen a vadge, so forgive my ignorance... but don't you kinda sorta defeat the premise of your post by including a picture of naked Jeff Goldbum crouched in a giant faux-vagina?</p> <p>extracrispy</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>The thumbs in the eyes revenge in <i>28 Days Later</i> is one of the more intense scenes I can think of in any movie.</p> <p><a href="http://golikehellmachine.tumblr.com/">Go Like Hell Machine</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>Uratsukidoji!!<br>
500ft long tentle penii!!<br>
I am way too excited about that!!</p> <p><a href="http://www.russellstrine.com">BBanzai</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>The Changeling, with George C Scott always won for one of my favorites.  Great horror story.  Classic ghost tale.  well acted, superb camera work.  No flashy special effects.</p> <p>JoshJasper</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>The original b&amp;w version of the fly had a slightly creepy ending.</p> <p>Her_royal_Highness</p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<P>Hmmm. Do girl-nerds care about something other than their science? If they did, wouldn't that make them not nerds anymore?</P>
<P>I'd have thought that nerd was actually a gender-neutral term.</P> <p><a href="n/a">braak</a></p>]]></description>
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		    <description><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, and yet, oddly enough, after transforming into Brundle fly, Goldblum appears to have no genitalia.</p> <p><a href="http://">Tim Faulkner</a></p>]]></description>
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